Re: Friendly Fire Video I garrantee a lot of the 'friendly fire' wasn't from someone to friendly. blive it or not (and this just a theory of mine) 80% of friendly fire cases happen after a dispute between two or more hot-blooded people, and the timing was convient for pay-back.
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A firm reading will tell you that FMF's 'hot blooded' theory is certainly not accurate. To brush it off entirely as 'it happens' isn't right, and doesn't give enough gravity to the severity of lives needlessly lost when blue-on-blue occurs. but as one person in another forum said commenting on this issue; "wars are waged by people, and sadly, people make mistakes."
On that same forum, I might add, almost everyone from the Commies to the war hawks are calling this a tragic circumstance.
Checking the transcript, you can see the men checking if there are friendlies in the area. Both times they are told friendlies are well and truly clear of their target. One suggests they look like Russian-made trucks used by Iraqis.
Orange panels (which denote 'ally' status) are mistaken for rocket launchers. The two pilots question the panels, but after being assured that friendlies are clear, assume they must be rocket launchers, and decide to open fire before having to leave the area. They hit the British crew, believing them to be Iraqi rocket launchers.
After being informed the situation if blue on blue (friendly fire), the two men are clearly and obviously horrified. Calling this anything more than an accident is silly.
That said, however, effort needs to be taken to ensure communication breakdown, mistaken targeting, or anything that causes friendly fire is avoided. By God, check with every active squadron around if you have to, just have some kind of policy in place to insure that what you're firing at is indeed hostile; "when in doubt, for help shout out." (Bad rhyme, yes, but you get the point.)
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Reg: 04-2003 Loc: London, England Posts: 8839 Greatness: 284 (+380/-96)
Re: Friendly Fire Video It wasn't really meant to be sneer I've just heard of so many cases of Americans trigger happy shooting anything they think is bad, would you defend them if they shot a young child mistaking them for a rocket launcher? Infact, has that happened before? A friend of the man killed claims on ground how much of cowboys they really are, claiming that hes seen them shoot at families in their cars at Baghdad and laughing as they drove off. :nono2:
In any case, I don't think they should have to fire on what they think are rocket launchers, it was obvious there was doubt, and reason for this. Their actual conversation before the fireing took ages, and showed a lot of confusion. If in doubt, leave it out I always say, this is the opposite case for a lot of the American soldiers.
Saying how this is a war and mistakes can be made is just an excuse. These are people's lives here, and this isn't a game. Measures should be made sure that this kind of thing does not happen again definatly, and that everything is treated seriously.
They haven't even given an apology I hear, and tried to deny the real truth about what happened! What a suprise.
Re: Friendly Fire Video Heh... no comment on that last part.
I'm not a solider, so i can only pass on opinion as a ignorant person. But... isn't there something along the lines of 'don't shoot at unconfirmed targets?' Or never shoot at unconfirmed targets? I dunno. In any case, it shouldn't have happened. Not saying it doesn't happen, cause it obviously has before in other war-time situations... but still... its human life.. you can't just brush it off so damn easily...
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I agree, and apologize on behalf of this country, I didnt choose to be born here believe me, Im a Euro-nut so yea haha. Senseless violence is aggrivating. I can understand if there was a legitimate reason for it, but there never really seems to be, and even if someone "deserves it" I am a firm believer in karma personally and I think theyll get whats coming to them far worse than any type of psysical torture or pain you could give, but thats just not the case here/
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Reg: 11-2003 Loc: Port City Baltimore Posts: 1111 Greatness: 66 (+81/-15)
Re: Friendly Fire Video I see the anti americanism is rife here yet again. Anyway this is definitely something that is very tragic and very sad.
I thought so too.. And the fact that they saw orange panels should have been enough.
The thing that makes crap like this so tough is when they mistake enemies for friendlies and then don't do anything. For the sake lets say they were rocket launchers. What if the pilots decided not to fire and left them alone??? Then what if those same rockets were used to attack something else??? Everyone would then blame them for not taking action.
At any rate its a very tough call to make, one that I would have great trouble doing as well. And I'm quite sure this isn't an American thing like so many people seem to think. It'd be nice if we could somehow turn friendly fire off like in a game but sadly we cannot. The best we can do is give training and more importantly hope the soldiers can make the right decisions at the right times.
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