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Iraq Constitution


I was wondering what people were thinking of the US pushing Iraq into deciding a written Constitution. Personaly, coming from a country that doesnt have a written Constitution, it seems quite pointless.

Its to be taken to the vote in a few weeks, and if 3 or more provinces ( I believe there is 18 altogether ? ) then its rejected, and everything will goto pot. Given that the Sunni's arent liking the oil situation of oil-hoarding shi'tes and kurds, it seems like everythings gunna goto pot. I dont think this is really going to help calm Iraqi's down, their gunna break into civil war, wait and see.

What do people think ? Waste of time ? or is it really going to calm down the country ?

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It would be lovely to see a constitution. I do belive that they're not ready for it, especially with the suuni's complaining.

I think that forcing the constitution is really just a big step to getting our forces out; and as much as i would like see our men and women come home... not yet.
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I think the situation regarding the insurgents needs to be neutralized first. Even if they do get a constitution, the continual terror attacks will downplay any constitution that is ratified. The government there looks helpless enough as it is, and a constitution won't change that. I think the new government needs to focus on putting aside its differences, which for some reason is incredibly hard, and eradicating the insurgence. Once that is done then you can focus on rebuilding your country and working out your disagreements in a non-bloody manner.

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I think its pointless. On paper, they'll have a whole new way of life, but with that paper, will come more trouble. look at when america seperated from england. They wrote a constitution and it lead to years of war. And when Linkon did something that was not stated in the constitution (Luisana purchuse) it cuased more war. Also when slavery was becoming a huge issue, it led to civial war. All im ganna say is you can write something down, but it doesnt mean anyones ganna read it.

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Actually Lincoln wasn't even born when the US made the Louisiana purchase, the Jefferson administration was responsible for that.

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Lol. Well, from what I see, it looks like the Kurdish Region will sort of "ally" with the shi'ites, and suppress the sunni area somehow. The Sunni's are definatly going to cause trouble for the rest of the country, however how much we probably couldnt tell yet.

Then again, if the constitution does pass the popular vote, its a double effect, as the Sunni's would have to be converted to believing in that constitution, and would reduce the chance of trouble later.

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I believe that an Iraqi Constitution is a great idea. However, the nation is not ready for a concrete constitution... yet.
I can see where they're coming from. If they a Constitution out on the table, it's a signed and sealed document everyone, regardless of faction, will adhere to as national Iraqi policy. In a sense, a proper Constitution would give these guys something to all agree on.
But here's where it gets messy. What do they all want to agree on? Apparently, they're still trying to figure that one out! A Constitution is a very permanent (in the sense that it's very significant in the way a country is managed) document, and must not be exessively rushed.
My opinion is that they wait for that dreadful mess over there to die down somewhat before drawing this thing up. Until then, they should draft a Pre-Constitutional manifesto, which offers fair guidelines all of them can agree on for now. When a majority agrees that the manifesto has served it's purpose, it can be abolished and a Constitution can be drawn, quite possibly from the remains of the manifesto.

I'm not sure how practical this solution is, however. I'm not what we would call 'infallible' upon the subject of Middle Eastern politics. ^_^

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What you say Arbiter is true, but they have Bush breathing on their necks to do it. Maybe if they simply left the two issues that caused the trouble for a later date (the one on whether Islam should be the law, or used to form only some laws, and the distribution of oil: effectively whether the country ends up a federal state or not), this tactic to calm the violence might have actualy worked.

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