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Ban size 0 models completey
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Use less really thin models(with unhealthy BMI)
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Let them use who they want
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Size Zero models?


With the death of another anorexic model, theres a big debate going on lately that people should ban size zero models from the catwalk.

Personally I think they should just not use models that have an unhealthy BMI (weight in relation to height) and use more 'normal' girls for their modeling, this includes in mags. I also think that no one can be healthy while being a size zero (which is a size 4 here in the UK) unless they're like 3 foot tall or something. It wouldn't be so bad if they were short but these models are nearly 6 foot and have an incredibly small size. They're even going down in sizes I've noticed while shopping, size 8 and 10 used to be the smallest sizes (my size) but now 6 is everywhere! Which looks like its too small even for a 7 year old. emoticon I don't even wanna imagine how size 4(0) looks. emoticon

I think theres a huge pressure on young girls to look like them. They think the thinner you are the better you look and it doesn't help with all these models being so skinny with a lot even looking malnourished and unnaturally thin.

Some people argue that the girls shouldn't be stupid enough to starve themselves to look thinner, which is true. But the fashion industry have a huge part in it, and although I hate how people like to complain on everything other than themselves, I think this pressures them a lot. Even if these girls have incredible parents that have raised them well, it doesn't really stop them from being impressionable and this can lead to anorexia. It's very sad. emoticon

What does everyone else think on this matter?

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Re: Size Zero models?


Personally, I think it's a 50/50.

Impressionable is just another word for gullable

The media plays a huge role in how people think, because peopel chose to accept what is said as 'fact'.

'Fact': The skinnier you are, the hotter you are

But then, there is the undiable 'truth'

'Truth': Being hot is in the eyes of the viewer, everyone has their own definition for someone who is hot, and is garranteed to never fully match the media's sense of hotness.

but then again, as it is still left to, choice.

The media didn't force these girls to be super thin, they chose to belive what the media said as to be a 'fact' and didn't want to be wrong in the eyes of th media, and therefor, causing themselves harm.

So yea, if these models wanna kill themselves, let em, it's just less stupid people to breathe air. And as for wiether they should be kicked off the cat walk, all it's ganna do is make things worse, maybe even cause them feel like they have nothing left to live for, and kill themselves, and in best case scenario, they kill themselves and go back to my first happy scenario.

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So yea, if these models wanna kill themselves, let em, it's just less stupid people to breathe air.



I think thats a bit harsh.

But I agree in that it is stupid and not to mention a horrible way to die. It's a disorder and is the fault of the person, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't get help, if it wasnt for people helping them im sure there would be a lot more of them dieing.

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Media and viewer relationship is a symbiotic process. The media can't make money if no one is listening, so to an extent, they give us what we ask for. However, they also have a lot of ways to influence and convince us to believe things. However, why would they want to press this ultra unnatural thinness as beauty belief? That is the question that no one can answer when they accuse the media, and the media alone, of this.

If no one finds it sexy or beautiful, then it wouldn't sell or catch on. I personally think there should be some self-policing on their part to only allow healthy models on the stage, but I don't want us to forget, that we as viewers, are just as at fault in feeding the fire. Girls, for some reason, want to imitate the models they see, and guys, for some reason, find those models beautiful. If girls refused to follow that line of beauty, and if guys refused to accept it as beautiful and attractive, it would quickly die off as the model industry would be catering to what people find attractive.

As it is now, we are in a horrible self-feeding cycle.

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http://img356.imageshack.us/img356/4603/00055l3mq8rk.jpg

This is aparently a super model, do guys really find these types of girls beautiful? If so, guys are weirder than I thought.

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Girls aren't trying to become unhealthily thin only because of the media. The media influences everyone around them, its the idea of "everyone else says this is the way things should be, it must be right". None of us are completely immune to that idea, lots of what we do, say and think follows that. Its not simply the problem that there are abnormally thin models, its that there are VERY few normal sized models.

It isn't only the medias fault though, the girls who decide they need to become so thin are already insecure with them selves. Anorexia and Bulimia are prevalent among adolescent girls, its a awkward time in general which makes them a bit more sensitive to what they see and hear. Being so thin is "pretty", guys for some odd reason are attracted to them, and girls just want to be attractive...They have pretty low self esteem.

Thats woman scares me...she looks dead lol. But I'm not guy...

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   Yeah I've never understood this you have to be skinny thing. Personallly I prefer a girl with a little more meat on their bones. Skinny doesn't really look that pretty to me at all. Gimme a little meat if ya know what I mean. Some men might find those models attractive but I'd rather see em gain a few more pounds.
   That aside like everyone else said there's a huge pressure to be skinny for whatever reason. I also think there is a difference between being skinny and being fit. Some people aren't skinny but aren't fat either, they kinda fall in the middle. Then there are those who are just naturally skinny, such as myself. I'm perfectly healthy but maybe a tad underweight for height. I think Cleamatra makes a good point in the last paragraph. We just keep feeding this cycle of what is "attractive". There probably should be some safety mechanisms in place to prevent people from killing themselves in such a stupid manner.

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Girls aren't trying to become unhealthily thin only because of the media. The media influences everyone around them, its the idea of "everyone else says this is the way things should be, it must be right". None of us are completely immune to that idea, lots of what we do, say and think follows that. Its not simply the problem that there are abnormally thin models, its that there are VERY few normal sized models.



 Exactamondo.

 Media isn't as big a influence as people are making out, in my opinion... we take the information from magazines, t.v ect and process it, if I walked into a shop and saw this random model on the front cover of a magazine and thought 'she looks beautiful,' then the media shouldn't hold any responsbility for it, really. Same as me looking at the other magazine and thinking, 'she looks like a slag.' People allow themselves to be influenced like that (and the media thrives on that) but honestly, you should just be content with 'you,' but only you can think that, ya know?

 Some girls just let their self-conciousness about their bodies and looks get to them in a really bad way, and so they feel comfortable looking like 'that girl'. ('That girl' can be filled in with any medium, be it glamour models or a stranger on the street.) They might kinda feel like their on a lower level... i don't like it. I wouldn't want to try and look like anyone other then me, and that includes trying to drop to a size zero.
 
 Your on the catwalk to show off fashion... so, why do fashion designers feel that the models should walk down that catwalk looking like twigs? Surely it'd be far better for fashion in general if the atmosphere centered a teeny bit more around self confidence and enjoying the modeling, and the whole fashion ideal, rather then 'i look good in this because the label says size zeeeroo!'

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Even if you say the media isn't exerting an effect on people, it still is. Its not the obvious brainwashing effect everyone thinks it is, its people see it, and they choose whether or not to believe it. There is an effect. Some people are more gullable as FMF said. They take what the media gives them as fact. If your a decently strong willed person with a decent amount of self self esteem you don't it at face value, you think about it, you don't just run off an decide "I need to weigh half what I should".

Pretty much everything we do is socially influenced, the media is part of society, we're in an age where media can shape our ideas. Where do you get your information? I'm sure you don't actually go out and find out first hand; you get it from news, news papers, the internet, all forms of media. Where do you get your clothes? I'm pretty sure you don't make em your self, you get them in a store, or off the internet, all the clothing we're sold is made based upon what society deams as cool or good, and media propagates this idea, if its not in style, people stop selling it pretty quickly. Your wrong about the media have a very limited effect on us. We're effect without even realizing it.

I do think they should use more models at a healthy weight though. Not only because of the effect it will have on people, but because we'll I don't like people being that thin...regardless of what we say about feeling good about the way you look, they are role models for impressionable young people. Besides I don't want turn on the news and have them constantly going on about some anorexic model going into therapy, theres more important things. >_>

Notice we're all talking about female models, aren't male models unrealistically proportioned as well? Most guys can't get the kind of bodies male models have. We tend to focus on females because females are the "oppressed" group in society, rarely are males ever focused on in any problem. I Just thought it was funny and something I should point out, which also a influence of the media. :p I'm not saying we're all brainwashed monkeys, just saying the media has a greater effect on us than we realize. We all just take it in different ways, some people take it as fact, others question it.

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Even if you say the media isn't exerting an effect on people, it still is. Its not the obvious brainwashing effect everyone thinks it is, its people see it, and they choose whether or not to believe it. There is an effect. Some people are more gullable as FMF said. They take what the media gives them as fact. If your a decently strong willed person with a decent amount of self self esteem you don't it at face value, you think about it, you don't just run off an decide "I need to weigh half what I should".

Pretty much everything we do is socially influenced, the media is part of society, we're in an age where media can shape our ideas. Where do you get your information? I'm sure you don't actually go out and find out first hand; you get it from news, news papers, the internet, all forms of media. Where do you get your clothes? I'm pretty sure you don't make em your self, you get them in a store, or off the internet, all the clothing we're sold is made based upon what society deams as cool or good, and media propagates this idea, if its not in style, people stop selling it pretty quickly. Your wrong about the media have a very limited effect on us. We're effect without even realizing it.

I do think they should use more models at a healthy weight though. Not only because of the effect it will have on people, but because we'll I don't like people being that thin...regardless of what we say about feeling good about the way you look, they are role models for impressionable young people. Besides I don't want turn on the news and have them constantly going on about some anorexic model going into therapy, theres more important things. >_>

Notice we're all talking about female models, aren't male models unrealistically proportioned as well? Most guys can't get the kind of bodies male models have. We tend to focus on females because females are the "oppressed" group in society, rarely are males ever focused on in any problem. I Just thought it was funny and something I should point out, which also a influence of the media. :p I'm not saying we're all brainwashed monkeys, just saying the media has a greater effect on us than we realize. We all just take it in different ways, some people take it as fact, others question it.



Wow! I completey agree with everything you've said. The Media does make a HUGE influence, in pretty much everything. Young people are even more effected by the media, I hear of young kids talking about their weight and wanting to get thinner and they haven't even reached puberty!

But your right in that there isnt much focus on Male Models, thats because they're not starving themselves to look the way fashion designers want them to, they actually look fit and healthy and more normal.


Omg, lol! What the hell is that hes wearing??


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