Reg: 11-2005 Loc: With the Turtles! Posts: 2683 Greatness: 66 (+67/-1)
Re: Size Zero models? Its ridiculous that children that young are already conscious of their weight... But alot of actresses recently have been accepting their bodies for what it is, and now in some places, they are banning models with a unhealthy BMI. There are some positive steps being made.
If it wasn't a problem we wouldn't be focusing on it, and people would be speaking to the contrary, as far as I know everyone thinks we need more normally proportioned models. No one can say a 6 ft model should only weigh 110 or 120 lbs. A woman needs a base amount of body fat, at 6ft and 120 lbs I highly doubt she'd have enough body fat. (Guys don't need the body fat so much, a woman needs to it have her menstrual cycle, its why pubescent girls tend to gain weight so they can begin having their menstrual cycles. With out the base body fat percentage a woman will stop getting her period. I forget the percentage needed right now though...)
They do look healthy, but I doubt they are, they have work out a lot to look the way they do...If female models are any indication of things, they probably over exercise (its possible and more harmful than you'd think)
Is he wearing a dress?? I wonder how much he liked that "outfit"
Re: Size Zero models? If unhealthy models are being taken off the catwalk, does that not mean that normal people have affected the media and they are listening to our concerns?
Just thought I'd chime in about the whole cycle and how we also influence the media. They do need our money after all. They aren't going to try and feed us blatant bullshit that we aren't going to listen to.
I see this media thing particularly strongly in the US where news media focus on hysterical headlines and celebrities rather than in-depth news because that is what people want to listen to, rather than what they should be listening to to make informed choices.
I often see people falling for the line that "we are influenced much more than we think" and then forget that we also influence how the media behaves. The media is a reflection of the state of our society, as a whole. It is not the be all and end all of our lives. Such a view assumes that individuals have no individuality.
On the topic of overly thin models, I've talked to plenty of women who tell me stories of how their friends were always making them feel shitty about their bodies and that they need to lose weight, even if they were already too thin. Female competition to be beautiful, a desire to hurt women they feel are more beautiful than themselves, as well, could also be a source of why models feel a need to be so unnaturaly thin, but I noticed that no one has bothered to bring up how women treat each other, and it's possible effect on this trend. This would mean that women also see thinness as a beauty ideal and an ideal that they compete for.
Now, before replying, "I know women who don't want to be that thin!"...Yes, so do I. That assumes that these people are not so overtly influenced by the media, now doesn't it?
The source of this topic is not pinned down so easily. The media feeds off of what we, as a group, say, and we, as a group, feed off of what is given to us by the media. We are not all omniscient, and as such, we need a media to give us information, but the media needs to come back to us to get it's information.
The fashion industry makes fashion that, to the best of their ability, they believe will sell to people. To do that, they need to appeal to what people find sexy and beautiful. It does not mean that each and every one of us will like it. After all, that is why this debate even comes up. But to truly fix this wrong, the fashion industry alone cannot be held accountable, there's something deeper and more problematic with our society when such thinness could ever be held up as an icon of beauty in the first place. As I stated, the media is merely a reflection of what we already are. Attacking the fashion industry is treating the symptom, not the disease, not that the symptom shouldn't be treated...but we can't stop there.
Re: Size Zero models? I didn't mention anything about them media having a limited effect, in theory i was saying that not everyone pays that close attention to it. I'm saying, its all in our head. We can choose to ignore or take in the information they provide us through any medium, though many things communicated via the media ARE on a subconcious level and so we're not always 100% what any institutions message is. Be it 'look thin' or 'buy this car'. I'm not sure about headlines, because the news is supposed to report stories (not always true, but stories nevertheless.) I think your a plonker if you take the news (or any media) at face value and as facts, and if you can't understand that the media is the way it is because of us, incorporating everything everyone in the past 5 or so posts has said. What we think of the media has no effect on it, what we do (in general) does.
But isn't this supposed to be more centered on fashion models themselves? I was thinking that fashion is homing in on skinny models (maybe for the money in it, i have no idea how they work it) when perhaps there are other social area's they could cover. Like just enjoying the whole buisness around it instead of killing models and killing the image thats representing the majourity of people as people, not items. Or stick insects.
Though maybe Cleamatra is getting close to it (and kudos for that post)- how we view each other and today's view of the beatuiful woman. But are people who want to be beautiful just selfish and only think of themselves when they change diets or are they actually concious about how they look in the crowd. Or maybe both. Why are some chasing a image of perfection that they might only hold in their head- not everyone will have a universal idea of beauty, but some may think the media has it, and choose to chase that. Hmm... i think i contradicted myself then...
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I dated a girl who was ana once, so I know all about it, the little underground communities it has too like cB. -_-
It's really sad, but the fashion industry IS highly responsible, there's no denying that.
It does affect men, of all sexualities as well. My ex knew a guy who lived in west virginia who was around 7'0 and weighed about 115 lbs i think, don't remember the exact number but he was extremely underweight. She said he was in and out of the hospital alot because of it.
As far as the runway thing goes, I really don't give that much of a damn. Yes, it does set bad examples, I know i know, but it's still a business and if they started using healthy sized and good looking women, there would be a decrease in sales. Truly sad, but undeniable. It's sad how much power money has over people now adays. Personally I'm more attracted to women who look like women, I rarely (except in the case of my ex) am attracted to girls who are really really skinny.
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Reg: 04-2003 Loc: London, England Posts: 8839 Greatness: 284 (+380/-96)
Re: Size Zero models? Was she? Did she recover??
Yeah course it still does effect men too, I just thought the pressure is a lot more stronger on girls. But what you said about that guy sounds bad, is that all he weighed??? Jeez I weigh more and I'm only 5'2. 7'0 is HUGE, he should weigh SO MUCH more. Man, that is so extremely underweight.... Did he recover/gain weight?
But why would there be a decrease in sales though? If they started using more healthier looking women, it would just send a far greater message in general. Then they should also focus on doing the same thing with magazines too...!
They just want the clothes to 'hang off' them like they're a rack. That's disturbing! They want them to look like men, because the fashion industry is mainly run by gay men.
I'm sure the clothes would look much better on NORMAL sized people.
Not that long ago didn't runway models used to be more healthy looking and meaty? And then look what happens when that changes!
I don't think theres one girl out there that isn't self concious about her weight and her body. So this extra pressure really causes damage.
Yeah it is really sad how much power money has over people, people will do anything for it.
Re: Size Zero models? As far as I know he's still very obsessive about his weight. His BMI is extremely low, im not sure about the number, but typing on his computer is tiring for him, he sleeps alot due to his weight.
My ex is still E.D., she hasn't recovered, but she has acknowledged that its destroying her natural metabolism (from years of on and off again eating and poor eating habbits). So she wants to stop, but doesn't know how. She doesn't qualify for a clinic because they require you to be under a certain BMI to be admitted and she doesn't have insurance because her family kicked her out when she was 18.
There would be a decrease in sales because I think a big part of the reason why the industry sells the clothes the way they do is because of the really skinny models. They make those clothes small on purpose, in order to make normal women feel intimidated and inferior, so girls who are anna, or are borderline, will try to "waste away" their weight to be small enough to fit into the clothing, which brings a sense of comfort. A false sense of security in my oppinion. It's a particularly cruel marketing scheme. Think about it, if they started making clothes for adverage-sized woman, they wouldn't have people buying their smaller clothing and trying to loose weight to get into it. It brings in the money faster I think.
For example have you ever seen the commercial for the diet food with the tiny yellow bikini, the girl hangs it on the wall in the kitchen, and every time she walks in the room she sees the bikini, then instead of eating what she should, she reaches for the low-fat whateverthefuck.
Girls with E.D. tend to do things like this a lot. The industry knows, they just don't give a damn. it makes me really angry because it's destroying people. It makes me angry because it's not just models that are affected by it, normal everyday women and girls and even some men have died from eating disorders. I think that's when it's safe to draw the line.
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