Reg: 12-2004 Loc: Between madness and insanity. Posts: 954 Greatness: 92 (+108/-16)
Re: This is why religion scares me.... Screw you, Gren. I got halfway through your first link and I already started feeling my neurons bursting. =P
Unfortunately, for every Jimmy Akin who can put forward quality apologetics, there's one of these clowns that don't think their cunning plans the whole way through.
This image however, still stands.
--- Prima: "If we waste any more time on 'weeaboo', we'll be bankrupt by the end of the month!"
Secunda: "Did someone just say 'weeaboo?' Because I heard someone say 'weeaboo'."
Persons 2-10: "Wee-a-boo! Wee-a-boo!"
Reg: 11-2003 Loc: Port City Baltimore Posts: 1111 Greatness: 66 (+81/-15)
Re: This is why religion scares me.... You know Zeen I was really doubting myself for a while. Their arguments were just so rock solid.
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Screw you, Gren. I got halfway through your first link and I already started feeling my neurons bursting. =P
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Unfortunately, for every Jimmy Akin who can put forward quality apologetics, there's one of these clowns that don't think their cunning plans the whole way through
Really??? Mine felt more like they were immediately being incinerated. I guess any violent reaction is possible though.
Quality religious apologetics is an oxymoron. I've yet to see any empricial evidence put forth to prove religion. There's much more emprical evidence that helps disprove christianity than there is in its support.
Yeah I remember that card lol. I'm ready to go if you are Arbiter. I'm up for a good religious debate anytime, as long as you can take the heat.
--- Icewind Dale II talk
Ulbrec: ...Ennelia and Braston will meet you there, Targos's fate hinges on your success.
My response: I think Targos's fate hinges on how much Shawford can pay us from the Targos treasury.
Reg: 12-2004 Loc: Between madness and insanity. Posts: 954 Greatness: 92 (+108/-16)
Re: This is why religion scares me.... My apologies, Gren. I should have replied to you earlier than this.
I'm afraid that I'm going to have to decline for now. Real life has been getting in the way a bit recently, and a cocktail of university, assignments, and tending to a visitor has otherwise taken my attention.
Please don't mistake my declining of this challenge for cowardice. Perhaps another time, we can discuss this. Regardless of how tenable you think my position is. =P
Oh, and if you liked that card, I currently have a whole bunch more in the works. ^_^
--- Prima: "If we waste any more time on 'weeaboo', we'll be bankrupt by the end of the month!"
Secunda: "Did someone just say 'weeaboo?' Because I heard someone say 'weeaboo'."
Persons 2-10: "Wee-a-boo! Wee-a-boo!"
Reg: 11-2003 Loc: Port City Baltimore Posts: 1111 Greatness: 66 (+81/-15)
Re: This is why religion scares me.... Hehe I can sympathize about the university. I'm constantly battling mine over petty stuff. I'm always ready to go so just give me the green light.
--- Icewind Dale II talk
Ulbrec: ...Ennelia and Braston will meet you there, Targos's fate hinges on your success.
My response: I think Targos's fate hinges on how much Shawford can pay us from the Targos treasury.
Re: This is why religion scares me.... Oh dear... rational debate has seem to have gone. I have not been here for about 5 months and I decided to have a look in, and this is what I read. All your reasoning is retarted, thus I must step in. Here goes;
First Point: The Designer argument is one of the oldest arguments around for God's existence and it is a pretty hard one to challenge. Most people misinterpret this argument. It's the idea that the universe is in such fine tune that it looks like it has been designed. Just as I pick up a pocket watch and look inside, I can clearly see that it has been designed. Examples in the universe: Gravity disputed was about 45.5%, anymore the universe would blow up and any less the universe would fall to pieces. When the sun was made, a certain amount of heat was disputed. The salt in the seas remain always at 3.5%.... everything seems to work in order. If it wasn't designed, then it must have been by chance and when chance events happen, it always comes out messy and wrong... the universe seems to be just perfect.
Second Point: There is no empirical evidence to disprove 'Religion', as you put it(I have no idea what you mean by 'Religion'... saying that could mean anything'). If there was empirical evidence to disprove 'religion', no one would believe. There are 3 billion Christians, 1.5 billion Muslims and about 1 billion Hindus in the world and those figures are growing everyday. Not only that but some of the greatest scientist and thinkers in the world were Christian/believers: Newton, Kant, Einstein are just some names. The guy who came up with the Big Bang was a believer and even Mr Charles Darwin was a Christian. I know the argument for masses is not a proper argument but if there was empirical evidence against religion, people wouldn't believe. Actually, there is more evidence suggesting things like the 'afterlife' existence, hence the new Materialist Christian movement.
Third Point: Keeping with the Empirical stuff. There is no empirical evidence to suggest that 'politics' exist. I can't touch politics, nor smell, taste, hear or see it... yet I accept it exists. I have never seen, smelt, touched, tasted or heard the plant Pluto... I can only go on what one or two scientists have claimed to have seen. They could be faking it and making up the pictures we see but we never doubt in our minds that Pluto exists. Get my drift? Not everything comes down to Empirical evidence.
I made a promise to myself that I would stop arguing about this sort of stuff but nothing winds me up more then misinformed people.
Re: This is why religion scares me.... The designer argument is actually incredibly weak. It assumes that this universe was the only time anything ever attempted to come into creation via chance. In fact, it is the only one that we happen to know of. Perhaps there were other big bangs that never resulted in anything, and how many times have "false bangs" occurred. We don't know. What we do know is that we only need it to work once to be here as we are now.
In the realm of probability, everything only needs to fall into place once for it to work out. The probability of it happening here is small, but the probability of it happening somewhere, is great.
Another thing is your "perfection" claim. It only -appears- perfect from our eyes, an imperfect race with a limited understanding of what is going on around us. Perhaps our view is skewed or corrupted. What if this Universe is not, in fact, perfect, but an evolving thing complete with horrendous evolutionary misses that result in painful, short lives, that are simply tossed to the evolutionary waste bin? We do, in fact, see that? How does that attest to a great, benevolent, perfect Creator? There are lots of questions such as this, that you need to take up and answer, General, particularly before calling others, "misinformed."
Second point: There is indeed no empirical evidence to disprove Religion proper, as you state, but then, religion proper makes no empirical claims. It is only when it begins to question empirical conclusions based on nonempirical evidence that people get a bit hyped up. As for your numbers of religious adherents "climbing" so too are the number of non religious and athiests climbing. Secondly, how many of these adherents to religion well informed? How many of them seriously practice their faiths? For how many of them does it drive their lives? Are they going to step out of a window trusting God to grant them the power to fly, or not step out the window trusting empirical observation that humans inevitably get pulled down to the Earth? See? Its much more complicated than you are making it out to be. Misinformed? Or just arrogant?
Third: You can see and hear politics anytime you turn on C-SPAN or any other news channel. YOu can see the affects of politics at your school based on the curriculum. You pay taxes, the price of petrol (oil). The fact that you have a stable place to live is a result of politics. The world is saturated with politics, and empirical evidence of it is overwhelming.
The same is true of religion, but defining it is a much trickier task. The thing, here, though, is that you are drawing a bad analogy. The topic at hand is proving the claims made by various religions, and not the practice of religion itself. If you had drawn a sound comparison, you would instead take something like the tenets of free market capitalism or communism and compare them to the tenets of Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, etc.
They are, in fact, more alike than you might guess at first glance.
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