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anyways. i dont mind people birng religious, but id perfer to be associated with educated and broad minded people like grenseal and cleamatra that then likes of christians as such...



So you saying that Christian folk are not educated? The likes of Newton, Darwin, Kant, Shakespeare, Picasso, etc were all uneducated idiots and weren’t very broad minded. Interesting generalisation you have made there.

Edit: Interesting site, not all religious believers are like that by the way and to think they are is what we call Narrow minded. I don't attack Atheist nor do I attack religious believes. I think of them as both equal. Most Christians I know who would see stuff like that would turn away in horror.

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oh ya

diddnt intend it that way! emoticon

we'll say.. amm.. people who understand the topics of this thread better so... kind of way...

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heh, one of those miskates to make. When I was against Christians I used to do the same and then did the same thing to atheists. That site you put up was a real shocker, I can't believe people still think though thoughts.

I tell you now, religious people are not like that. There are just some idiots in the world who continue to live in the dark ages.
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    Yeah most Christians over here are pretty moderate but there's still a large majority who still believe in Noah's Ark over here. In fact a creationist musuem just opened up somewhere in Cincinnati not too long ago. The fact that these people have enough funds to open a full fledged musuem in order to peddle their nonsense is quite scary. I'm not sure about actual numbers but I think there are more fundamentalists out there than you might think. My whole point in making this thread was to illustrate how some people can be so far gone that they'll believe literally anything. Take for instance the initial video I posted on this thread. The guy is trying to argue that a bananna helps prove the existence of a creator. Its just absurd. I think that if you can believe that then you'll probably believe just about anything, and when I envision those types of people in a position of power.....well it does scare me. Thankfully our system of government is fairly good at preventing such majorities, should they exist, from taking too much power.
  
     

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Well you have just made the point, we can't talk to animals or know what they are thinking. That is why Christians mistreat animals because people thought they didn't have souls. In Buddhism, animals is one of the worst form to be reincarnated into(There are six realms to be reincarnated into) because animals couldn't be rational. Animals really don't show any rational behaviour(says the behaviourist emoticon).



Is that true? I thought they believed all animals were God's creature's aswell? That's really cruel. That's given me even more reason to dislike em. :p

I believe some animals show rational behavour and can be very intelligent. A lot of animals do think, have feelings, memories, a caring nature, and make choices. They can even get depressed and share many similar human characteristics.

What would show to you for a fact that they are rational? People forget that we're animals too, but of course we see ourselves as superior beings and we are, but not to such a great extent, and definatly not to such a great extent that a God created us specially. Afterall if we're so superior why are we destroying so much? Why are we the most destructive force on Earth? To me that doesn't show us for rationality and intelligence.

Human's lack of understanding of things, animals included.

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hah, really enjoyed reading this thread. brilliant writing by grenseal and cleamatra

im not even gonna try jump into the arguement at this point cos theres just too much info. and all the work seems to be done...

anyways. i dont mind people birng religious, but id perfer to be associated with educated and broad minded people like grenseal and cleamatra that then likes of christians as such...




Did you forget someone? emoticon

But SOME religious people can be intelligent aswell, but more likely not. :p

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Yeah most Christians over here are pretty moderate but there's still a large majority who still believe in Noah's Ark over here. In fact a creationist musuem just opened up somewhere in Cincinnati not too long ago. The fact that these people have enough funds to open a full fledged musuem in order to peddle their nonsense is quite scary. I'm not sure about actual numbers but I think there are more fundamentalists out there than you might think. My whole point in making this thread was to illustrate how some people can be so far gone that they'll believe literally anything. Take for instance the initial video I posted on this thread. The guy is trying to argue that a bananna helps prove the existence of a creator. Its just absurd. I think that if you can believe that then you'll probably believe just about anything, and when I envision those types of people in a position of power.....well it does scare me. Thankfully our system of government is fairly good at preventing such majorities, should they exist, from taking too much power.
   



Exactly so many people do believe anything they're told, people are very impressionable. Its quite remarkable that these people believe a banana proves God!

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Animals can't reason like Human. Animals don't show in anyway that they think like us. They don't have any moral or spiritual awareness.

In Britain(and Europe), we don't seem to face that problem of idiot religious people. The matority of people in Europe are religious but they don't go around making stupis claims n stuff(well, not for a long time). Atheists and Believers just get along.
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Spend some time with animals then. :p

And maybe they don't need spiritual awareness, spiritual awareness is something humans have made up, doesn't mean if you have it your more rational than say a person/animal that isn't spiritual. And how do you know they don't have morals? I'm sure some animals do know whats right from whats wrong. Mothers of animals care for their off-spring just as we humans do, they don't leave them to die and they protect them. Some even try to protect others off-springs. Why would they want to do this? Because they know its the right thing to do. emoticon Animals show in MANY ways that they act like us. Of course we are more intelligent but all the signs are there, the behavour can be very similar. Humans just think more about things(sometimes too much), that doesn't make animal's bad.

I'd say I'm the better behaviourist emoticon

Yeah here we actually don't have many stupid religious people and most people get along with eachother regardless of religion. But theres also lots of people that don't get along, of course.

My dad works in Southampton. emoticon

Come on, more people post in this topic! emoticon

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I have lots of anaimals and they show no moral or spiritual awareness. Animals really can't tell the difference between right and wrong nor do they have any idea of ethics. The is no rational side to animals or any self-awareness. To put a form, THEY ARE NOT HUMANS. animals copy us in behaviour only. If I copied all your behaviour in one day... does tat mean I can think like you??

"There is no such thing as a bad lion" because it has no idea of right and wrong. If you want to starting putting animals are par with humans and assume they have rational thoughts, awareness n stuff... then we should go and arrest all the tigers because they murder 1000 of anaimals all the time. A whale murders millions of little fish, best lock him up.
Behaviourism isrubbish(well, some parts are alright but most is rubbish).

People get Fanatical aout anything. Fanatical about a political group or something else. Religion is just reported more.

well, I live in Southampton!
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I know animals don't show spiritual awareness, but like I said who cares? Lots of people aren't spiritual, you make it sound like its a bad thing not to be. emoticon

You didn't actually answer what I said, you simply repeated "they dont show moral awareness" what about the examples I gave that shows they may?

Stop acting like you know more than you do! You don't know whether they don't have self-awareness. Read this, should help ya understand. emoticon

http://www.strato.net/~crvny/sa03002.htm

Humans just THINK more than other animals, so we start believing in a lot of other things.

I never said they were humans, but you should know humans are animals. I've said it a million times if you didn't already know! So we're not gonna be a whole lot different. Animal's don't 'copy' us either, no one copys anything we're just as we are. Just as animals of the same species can have completey different personalities and think differently. Just like humans. We all have very similar behavour, and I don't see why religious people should think less of them. As aren't we all 'god's creatures at the end of the day?? Double standards.

Arrest animals because they want to live and survive? They have to hunt other animals so they can eat. They HAVE to hunt. And they need the nutrition of meat, etc. Even though its not nice at all and seeing anything get killed upsets me, but thats the way it works.

But its when humans go around, force feeding animals so they can get bigger, making them grow to abnormal sizes so theres more meat, even though they're suffering badly because they're too large, not giving them any space at all, torturing them, skinning alive animal's for their FUR even though you dont need it AT ALL. A lot of humans are disgustingly disrespecting, harsh, and heartlessly cruel to everything that it makes me sick. Yet nothing is hardly done about this. We should be smart enough to be HELPING other animals not making their lives worse!!

Anyways... Let's get back on topic here..

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zeen, have you ever heard of saving the best for last?

ahem.


fair play to zeen. emoticon emoticon

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