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Not everuthing is to do with scripture, scripture can be interpret and change whenever it wants. The Bible has been changed so many times.
and why not cherry pick stuff out? Maybe some Christians simply don't want to believe in a hell because they don't think it exists... only a heaven. I don't see a problem with not believing hell and being a Christian.



so can I remove the part about God and Jesus and still be a christian?

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I think a belief in God is sort of required. God is the fundamental part of the religion and I guess Jesus is as well.
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   You've just demonstrated why cherry picking out of the Bible is a bad thing. Like velocity said, what if I want to ignore the part about Jesus coming to Earth and dying for us sinful humans. I could do that if I wanted to and still call myself a Christian.
Here's the bottom line, we have no way of telling what we can and cannot take out of the bible. I'm sure there are parts that could be removed that aren't so fundamental to current mainstream christian beliefs but what if I believe all the heavy theological stuff but decide that adultery is all of a sudden not so bad. Hell maybe that was just a metaphor for something else.
    Thats one of the problems I have with accepting the bible as the word of god. If you wanted to make a point then why write in metaphors which are open to interpretation??? If I wanna make a point I'm gonna say it in way that isn't open to interpretation. So either god was a bad writer or the whole thing is just a human creation, which is where I cast my vote.

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Completey agree with you Gren as usual :clap:

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   You're right you can cherry pick stuff out of the bible and believe just that, but that doesn't erase all the nasty stuff you'd choose to ignore.
    Thats my entire point, if you omit whatever you dislike then you come up with something thats entirely different then what the original text actually says. I also think cherry picking out of the bible actually helps show that it is wrong on some points. If its so antithetical to what you actually believe then maybe it is inherently wrong to begin with. It doesn't really matter to me since its all mumbo jumbo in the end anyway.

   Just to prolong this some more if you don't believe in hell then you have to admit that Jesus lied whenever he talked about hell. If thats the case then he isn't perfect and his sacrifice is then meaningless according to the bible.



Exactly, great post. Where is GQ's response to this? emoticon

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You've just demonstrated why cherry picking out of the Bible is a bad thing. Like velocity said, what if I want to ignore the part about Jesus coming to Earth and dying for us sinful humans. I could do that if I wanted to and still call myself a Christian.
Here's the bottom line, we have no way of telling what we can and cannot take out of the bible. I'm sure there are parts that could be removed that aren't so fundamental to current mainstream christian beliefs but what if I believe all the heavy theological stuff but decide that adultery is all of a sudden not so bad. Hell maybe that was just a metaphor for something else.
    Thats one of the problems I have with accepting the bible as the word of god. If you wanted to make a point then why write in metaphors which are open to interpretation??? If I wanna make a point I'm gonna say it in way that isn't open to interpretation. So either god was a bad writer or the whole thing is just a human creation, which is where I cast my vote.



I did deny Jesus and I still called myself a Christian because I had a blief in God(what matter to me). I have never accepted that the Bible as the word of God(I swear I have made this clear about 1000 times before), I have always thought it was a human interpreation of the world, thus the scriptures becomes unimportant(Swaer I said a 1000 times as well). Quakers believe in God and get along without scripture. I think my point was that you can still believe in God without these scriptures.
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I wouldn't really call you a christian if you didn't believe in jesus. He's kinda important to the whole concept. You said you still believed in god, but which god are you talking about?? One of your own making or one from a holy book somewhere? Yeah you can believe in a god without the bible but i'm not too sure which god that would be.

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Ulbrec: ...Ennelia and Braston will meet you there, Targos's fate hinges on your success.

My response: I think Targos's fate hinges on how much Shawford can pay us from the Targos treasury.

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There really is only one God. The Jews, Christians and Muslims share the same God and the Hindu God(Brahmin) shares a similar description. Buddhist and Doaist don't have a God.
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Ok thats fine if you believe it but I would hope you'd have some evidence to indicate that this is correct, because as far as I know there is none.

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Ulbrec: ...Ennelia and Braston will meet you there, Targos's fate hinges on your success.

My response: I think Targos's fate hinges on how much Shawford can pay us from the Targos treasury.

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None really apart from how people describe God. Jewish, Christian and Islam all share the same God, that is obvious. They describe God as Omniscience, omnipotence, Omnipresence, Benevolence, etc and I assume that the Hindus would also describe Brahmin that way.
Descartes would argue that everyone body is experiencing the same being but using different language and concepts to describe him.
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So are you kinda leaning more towards a deistic standpoint???

 You have every right to believe that but people describing god seems like a poor base of evidence to draw from. I mean people can claim anything and there's nothing to stop them from just making stuff up. I'd rather not base my beliefs in the descriptions created by different religions. They claim god is omniscient, omnipresent, etc.....but they have no evidence at all to prove that.
I wouldn't even call that evidence, so from my standpoint you still have none.
  Sure religions might have a few common standpoints but they have even more contradictions. I think their similarities is a result that they are created by humans and thus we can see similarities.

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Ulbrec: ...Ennelia and Braston will meet you there, Targos's fate hinges on your success.

My response: I think Targos's fate hinges on how much Shawford can pay us from the Targos treasury.

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