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Well of course there is no evidence of that because then we have evidence of God. It is more what would be the description of an all pefect being?
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Those youtube clips are hilarious. emoticon

I see the same stupidity on the religious channels on sky that i obeserve out of curiosity. They choose to be so fanatic about there beliefs that they will go to ridculous lengths to prove them.

Anyway i have read various pages in this topic, not going to bother reading it excessively all the way through, only going to input a few of my own views on the subject that has been vigoursly been tooken under disscusion.

I myself have admired the possible theory of universial design. Many years ago before i heard about it from others, i came upwith a similar theory that the world was designed to a certain extent as i observed the world around me. Though i cringe that it was designed by some god that made everything down to the very exact detail. I more or less combine the theory of design with the theory of evolution, rather than with a creator.

Perhaps god did design the universe, really depends on one's own interpertaion of god.

The more we unravel of the cosmos the tendecy we all have to believe that it has been designed.

Great scientists amongs themselves have belived in some form of the design theory. Among them was Albert Enistien who dedicated is whole life trying to achive unification of the universe, the law of all laws, the greater truth of all truths. Enstien wanted to find out the whole workings of the universe which may explain more about the source of how everything started. Undoubtably he died failing his quest in life, the unification of the universe. This is where string theory can be quite intresting.

I agree with one of the members that the design theory could all be done to probability which shouldn't be ignored or missed-out. Probability if i remeber, right is the basis for quantum phisics. It suggests that anything and everything is at the mercy of probability. An example would be if you droped a glass of milk it is likely to fall to the floor and shatter though there is always the probability that it could come back up together again however unlikely that may be. Another example is if you were to lean on a wall there is a probability that you will eventually go through it. Though you would have to do so for million or billions of years before you eventually did. Abert enstien dissaproved the theory and i quote "God throws darts not dice" There were scientists who didn't want to believe the theory because it scared them greatly as probability never fitted into there strict laws that they were used to.

Heres a link from a news paper article that you may find intresting

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/technology/technology.html?in_page_id=1965&in_article_id=465526

It could be debated though that probability itself is a design feature.

Wether true or not its hard too dismiss the design theory or prove it. One thing can be certain it makes a very debatable subject.
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I have debated many times before between my father and i about wether religion is the source of such evils in the current world and so forth. Through the few brief pages i went through i noticed there is much dislike about christanity or religion overall.

I personally think that christanity shouldn't be looked in a factual way, rather more as a poetic way. Christians who see the bible as pure fact without any shred of evidence to support there claim is insane.

Looking at those youtube clips its no suprise why people are afraid of religion. To be fair though i still believe that religion is not at fault but the people who doctrine the interpertaion of religion who create fanatics and extremists, raging havoc among society.

Science can be just as deadly as religion.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/columnists/columnists.html?in_article_id=473347&in_page_id=1772&in_author_id=256

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I don't believe in christanity or god nor am i an athiest. I'm close to being an huminist though i refer to myself as a taoist.

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I love the idea that you are a taoist. My dad is a taoist Buddhist.

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Looking at those youtube clips its no suprise why people are afraid of religion. To be fair though i still believe that religion is not at fault but the people who doctrine the interpertaion of religion who create fanatics and extremists, raging havoc among society.



I am gald someone agrees with me. To be fair Atheists be scary and cause evil. Hitler, Stalin and Mao were all Atheist and set their governments around those ideas. One of caused the biggest war ever known, the other two killed and tortured millions.
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I still have alot to study on Tao and the two others alike Buddhist, Zen.

I adapt various principals of taoisim though the only reason i refer to myself as one is because i chose long ago to live my life authentically to what i decide to become. To give birth to my own identity, stand out from the rest who don't.

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Wether true or not its hard too dismiss the design theory or prove it. One thing can be certain it makes a very debatable subject.



   The one thing i dislike about design theory is that different sects get a hold of it and then use it as a front to push forward their own agenda. There have been a good many court cases over here where a school board tries to change textbooks to something that promotes design theory. The problem is that in each case its some fundamentalist christians who are just trying to insert their own religion into the schools, and they are using arguments for design theory to do so.

 Overall I don't really like design theory that much because it really doesn't answer anything. There is no proof that what we see around us was created and designed by a god or gods. Until something can definitively answer those questions I think its silly to claim one or the other.


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I am gald someone agrees with me. To be fair Atheists be scary and cause evil. Hitler, Stalin and Mao were all Atheist and set their governments around those ideas. One of caused the biggest war ever known, the other two killed and tortured millions.



     I really can't stand when people make this claim. Hitler didn't stand up and say " I hereby initiate WWII in the name of atheism" nor did Staling say whilst purging his ranks " In the name of atheism I kill you all". Now granted neither were very religious but they are quite atypical of what many would consider and atheist. The same goes for Christians. Many people dies during the Inquisition but most christians today don't run around killing people simply because they are of another religion.
    Anyway I really think those three killed more for political and other delusional reasons rather than strictly atheism.


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The one thing i dislike about design theory is that different sects get a hold of it and then use it as a front to push forward their own agenda.



I would agree with you on that. It seems to be that the only people who now use the design theory is christians gaining more followers by luring them in.

It annoys me why they only try and prove the theory works and not debate about it, which would show the downside of universal design.

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There have been a good many court cases over here where a school board tries to change textbooks to something that promotes design theory. The problem is that in each case its some fundamentalist christians who are just trying to insert their own religion into the schools, and they are using arguments for design theory to do so.



You make an intresting point gren. I would consider it brain-washing or a high disvantage to children who are unable to combat it. As i said many christians only talk about how solid the theory is and don't show the overall picture. What you've just mentioned shouldn't be allowed as it jeopardise the minds of the innocent to these fanatic christans who don't want to play fair. Children will then belief unwilling because they will pick up more what is written in these textbooks which is to educate people. It would be dangours as they may twists words round to there own advantage.

What i get annoyed about christanity/religion at times is when they constantly try and influence young minds. Schools in Scotland would have these chirstians that would come in nearly every hall meeting explaining how much jesus loves you, your not alone explaining how nessceary god can be.

A few reasons that annoyed me was they only ever had one religion which was christanity. The schools would never bring in a buddhist or a muslim. If any religion is present in schools it should be them all or none, other wise you only give them one direction to follow which dosen't enable there minds to other possibilities.

The other is people uptown who handout leaflets and acctually give out false claims of there religion. I remeber awhile back there were Christians stating that no matter what faith your from jesus can cure you of your troubles, pain even illness's.

well there was more but i'm too tired to mention it.

Though religion isn't all bad Arrogance, dogma and why science - not faith - is the new enemy of reason


Say gren did i get that quantum physic's part right about probability. Correct me if i was wrong. its been awhile since i watched that documentary about string theory.

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A few reasons that annoyed me was they only ever had one religion which was christanity. The schools would never bring in a buddhist or a muslim. If any religion is present in schools it should be them all or none, other wise you only give them one direction to follow which dosen't enable there minds to other possibilities.




   Thats exactly what I think. If we are going to allow religion into schools then we should allow them all and not just cater to one.


 
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Say gren did i get that quantum physic's part right about probability. Correct me if i was wrong. its been awhile since i watched that documentary about string theory.



    Haha i'm not too sure really. You'd be better off asking a physicist about that kinda of stuff. I know quantum mechanics deals a bit with probabilities but I'm not sure to what extent.


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Though religion isn't all bad Arrogance, dogma and why science - not faith - is the new enemy of reason



   I didn't really like that article. I cannot remember where dawkins claimed that evolution also explains the origins of life itself rather than how organisms evolved through natural selection. Also science doesn't assume to know the origins of the universe or life. There are theories as to how these things occurred and those theories are always subject to modification if new evidence arises.
    It seems to me that the author was just having a hissy fit because science doesn't consider things for which there is no evidence, i.e. intelligent design, religion, etc..... I'm guessing that she perhaps believes in these things or believes they should be given more consideration. Its hard to consider them though when there is such a lack of evidence for them.

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Haha i'm not too sure really. You'd be better off asking a physicist about that kinda of stuff. I know quantum mechanics deals a bit with probabilities but I'm not sure to what extent.



Thats right its in quantum mechanics i heard most about that. I knew that quantum physics itself deals with light frequecies but wasn't sure where probabilities came from.



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