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Green think-tank: Three children one too many!


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HAVING large families should be frowned upon as an environmental misdemeanour in the same way as frequent long-haul flights, driving a 4x4 car and failing to reuse plastic bags, according to a report to be published tomorrow by a green think tank.

The paper by the Optimum Population Trust (OPT) will say that if couples had two children instead of three they could cut their family’s carbon dioxide output by the equivalent of 620 return flights a year between London and New York.

John Guillebaud, co-chairman of OPT and emeritus professor of family planning at University College London, said: “The effect on the planet of having one child less is an order of magnitude greater than all these other things we might do, such as switching off lights. An extra child is the equivalent of a lot of flights across the planet.

“The greatest thing anyone in Britain could do to help the future of the planet would be to have one less child.”

In his latest comments the academic says that when couples are planning a family they should be encouraged to think about the environmental consequences. “The decision to have children should be seen as a very big one and one that should take the environment into account,” he added.

Guillebaud says that, as a general guideline, couples should produce no more than two offspring.

The world’s population is expected to increase by 2.5 billion to 9.2 billion by 2050. Almost all the population growth will take place in developing countries. The population of developed nations is expected to remain unchanged and would have declined but for migration.

The British fertility rate is 1.7. The EU average is 1.5. In some countries, such as France, the government is so concerned it has introduced financial incentives for women to have more than two children.

Despite this, Guillebaud says rich countries should be the most concerned about family size as their children have higher per capita carbon dioxide emissions.

The suggestion has been criticised by family rights campaigners. Eileen McCloy, a geography graduate from Glasgow with 10 children, said: “How dare they suggest how many children we should have. Who do they think are going to look after our elderly?

“According to this I would have five couples’ quota of children. I believe my children will be productive members of society.”



Now look. I'd like to think that politically speaking, I'm concerned about the environment. I worry about global warming. I like the idea of investing in alternative energy, too.

But as the second of seven children, these guys can go and shove it for all I care. Of course smaller families are going to have a larger environmental footprint. But I currently live in country with a population slump, with the federal Treasurer pleading for parents to have at least three kids (one for mum, one for dad, one for the country!). I've been raised in a tradition of family solidarity and community. I'm not about to throw that away. Not for these clowns.

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Re: Green think-tank: Three children one too many!


What a load of BULLSHIT!! emoticon

Eileen McCloy, a geography graduate from Glasgow with 10 children, said: “How dare they suggest how many children we should have. Who do they think are going to look after our elderly?"

I would have just left that with "How dare they suggest how many children we should have!"

Which is what I would and do say.
I will have as many children as I please.
And I'm sorry if when I think about having children the first thing that DOESN'T pop into my mind is the environment.
I would like to think it would be the 'concerns' of my husband.

“The greatest thing anyone in Britain could do to help the future of the planet would be to have one less child.”

Yes, I'll think of the planet and have one less child then I had planned to.
Let's say my 'dream' number is 10. (I'll tell you it isn't.)
I'll only have 9, 'kay. How does that suit you? ^__~

Now, I do understand that they are only really talking about the UK right now, because it is a London based organization, and it is a UK New site.
But if you're going to send a message like that, you really should give at least a bit of info on some 'major' countries currently status with this 'situation'..

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Re: Green think-tank: Three children one too many!


Sounds kinda ridiculous if you ask me. It gets a little too encroaching when the government tries to dictate how many kids you can have. Now obviously countries with booming populations and limited resources this might be a valid concern but in most developed countries I don't think the government or anyone has a right to legislate how many children you should be able to have.

I say rather than stunting populations why not develop the technologies to support higher populations. The human race is gonna expand and unless comething catastrophic occurs the population will continue to climb and I highly doubt a few people in britain having one less kid will have an enormous impact on that. So lets develop the right stuff rather than sitting around playing Dr. Population with everyone's lives.

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I agree with Gren!

I don't think anyone has the right to decide how many children we should have. But then again in countries where the population is really high, its better for people to limit how many they have. I hear in China they only want you to have one child, which is a good idea but it causes problems as you can imagine.. I've even heard of people giving pregnant mothers forced abortions at very very late stages of the baby's development and killing them.. It's very sad. emoticon

I dont understand how parents can have 5+ kids!! I couldn't imagine having that many and being able to devote equal amounts of my time and attention, etc on all of them aswell as being able to handle and take care of them all! 1 is hard enough for me I would say! emoticon Your parents must be pretty amazing Mark to have had 7!

As for me.. I'd think I'd like to have two children, but I'm not really thinking about that now so things could change.

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“The greatest thing anyone in Britain could do to help the future of the planet would be to have one less child.”

Yes, I'll think of the planet and have one less child then I had planned to.
Let's say my 'dream' number is 10. (I'll tell you it isn't.)
I'll only have 9, 'kay. How does that suit you? ^__~



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Re: Green think-tank: Three children one too many!


 These reports and insightful nuggets of 'knowledge' really tick me off. I wouldn't have more then 3 kids at the very most. 10! emoticon I know Britains population is growing but there are other ways to cope with that then have -1 child. Its not like every single couple in the country is raising 6+ children. I don't know anyone from a large family like Arbiter, 2/3 is the norm where i am.... i think.

 The situation in china is very different to ours, with a very different culture. I hear they have a baby rush in the year of the dragon because parents want their children to be successful and wealthy (Or whatever that year promises). Can't remember where i heard that, though. The one child policy might be too much i think. If they have too many children their population won't stop growing. Suddenly drop the number of newborns and they won't support the older population and the jobs they were doing. A two child policy would make more sense.

 But environmental impacts? Please. take environment into account? Its not the amount of children you have, its what future generations actually do and chooses to do when they grow up, and how they help the environment. emoticon Err... i don't buy into that 'one less child will equal __ plane flights!' What if we find a way to make planes even more eco-friendly, so it doesn't matter as much?

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Re: Green think-tank: Three children one too many!


I can see where the academic is coming from, but what usually happens with overly political people with extreme agendas, they only look at it from a single perspective.

From an environmental standpoint, it is good as we are generally believe to be overpopulated. As that goes, a couple with no children or one child is preferable.

However, as human beings, we generally want more children than that. Being a single child can be lonely, and many people dont even plan before they make the child.

In China, with the one child law, many girls are abandoned in trash cans and the like as well, as inheritance is culturally dictated that sons inherit from the family.

They will likely see problems as their population ages, much like mainland Europe and Japan are at the moment, with dwindling populations, which make traditional forms of welfare difficult to maintain.

However, for countries over stressed with populations, like India and China, they are necessary solutions, so to speak, though they are dehumanizing to an extent.

I dont think that most countries will ever enact anything like this group is advocating, and most people arent going to seriously listen to it. It just goes against human nature.

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Re: Green think-tank: Three children one too many!


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Yeah I also heard about that, that there are so many girls in China up for adoption and people from all across the world look there for one.

And you can't go against human nature! But sometimes we do need to think about the consequences of our actions, you may think having one more child wouldn't make the slightest bit of difference but in some countries like China and India^ it'll help their country if everyone follows certain guidelines...

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