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Private and Parochial Schools.


I would hope that if you're reading this, you either went to school, or are in school now.
Schools come in various types. The most common would be publics schools, completely funded by some kind of government structure.
Then you have private schools. The schools are either partially or entirely independently funded. Many of them have religious affiliation.

So now I ask you: What's the funding situation like for private schools in your country? Should private schools receive public funds?

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Re: Private and Parochial Schools.


??? Public and Private mean they same thing. If you say you go to a Public school, it means that it is a private school... well in UK it does. A State School is funded by the government which is what I went to.

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The most common would be publics schools, completely funded by some kind of government structure.



I love this quote, makes it sound like the government structure is sopme kind of mysterious thing.
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Public and Private mean they same thing. If you say you go to a Public school, it means that it is a private school... well in UK it does. A State School is funded by the government which is what I went to.



Ahhh, I see. In Australia and the US, Public is acceptable terminology for a State school. Private is the term used for a school that receives some kind of non-government funding.

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I love this quote, makes it sound like the government structure is some kind of mysterious thing.



So you know, I made the terms broad on purpose. I'm being mindful that not every educational system is funded in the same way. For example, Federal and State governments are responsible for funding schools in Australia. In the US, funding falls to a 'school districting' system.

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    Most of the private schools around here aren't that well funded. The ones I went to were kinda run down and the teaching quality was quite poor. I remember in 6th grade we were supposed to be learning algebra and the teacher would read what the book said, assign a few problems, and then go sit at her computer for the entire class. If we couldn't figure out what to do all she'd say was "do the math". Of course we did have some good teachers but overall I feel the education we received was not that great. Its a running joke among my friends that if one of use makes a simple math mistake, or a simple grammar mistake we simply blame it on the private schools we attended. That being said there are plenty of really good private schools however the ones that are considered "better" are much too expensive for the average middle class family.
    
   Now in regards to your question. I would have to say no mainly because I don't think the funding would improve the standard of education that much. Many of the private schools I attended would only hire people of the same religious background as that of the school. This is especially true of the protestant schools but not so much of the catholic. If you start funding one school then yer probably gonna have to give the rest some money as well. This means giving some private schools money which will wind up teaching garbage to young students or maybe not really teaching them at all.
   My second objection is that all the private schools I attended had a religion class and usually once a week we had some sort of mass or church service. I personally think its a waste of time to be teaching the kids about whatever religion the school happens to sponsor and I'd rather not see taxpayer money going to such a cause. If the private schools would drop the religion bit then maybe I'd be a little more partial for giving them money.


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Most Private are Religious type because they are funded and made by religious people. They made them, they fund them and its their choice what type of school it will be. In UK we have these types of schools; there is no Indoctrination, no non-teaching of science or teaching it to the Bible, no rejection of other religious and these schools are funded by private investors.

Also, most schools teach religion because it is apart of our society. You can't just say that a subject is bad because you happen not to agree with it. I think History is a waste of time but others don't. As long as the Religion class is diverse and tackles a range of issues.
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    I don't mind teaching a broad range of religion but the ones over here don't exactly make their religion courses diverse. Like I said, once a week you go to a church service, and during religion class you learn strictly whatever religion they happen to support. If its a catholic school you learn catholicism, if its one of the many kinds of protestant denominations then you learn whatever it is they happen to support.

   I'm glad they don't do that over there but I can tell you the story is a bit different on this side of the pond. That being said I don't want my tax money going to support these kinds of institutions. If they drop the religious aspect then I don't think I would mind it that much.

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I wouldn't either. I am going to throw a question at you? You seem to have it in for Religion a lot so...

What would your opinion be if a school was set up on just Republician ideas? Would you be willing to pay for that?
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Yeah, in the US, many Religious Private schools stuff their dogma down your throat, and just for the record, under Republican rule, about some 5-6 years ago, the Federal government started partially subsidizing said schools, so US tax payer money IS funding the garbage they teach. For many of those schools, actual academic education isn't the main purpose -- religious indoctrination is. They are very politically motivated schools. And general, some private schools are political entities that teach Republicanism, too. There are even some Universities dedicated to teaching Republican positions.

However, there are great Private Schools out there as well, one needs to do the research before sending their children to a private school, just as they should before deciding which public school to send their child to, as in each case, funding is different. Unfortunately, it just so happens that those schools funded by fundamentalist mega-churches have the most money, and for lots of people, money alone is the deciding factor. Of course, money is an important variable, but it alone doesn't determine if the school is any good.

I don't think private schools should receive any funds at all in the US, given that public schools are generally underfunded, and also because private schools aren't held to any sort of academic standard. They can teach pretty much anything they want free of any sort of academic honesty and standard.

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I wouldn't either. I am going to throw a question at you? You seem to have it in for Religion a lot so...



   You've noticed emoticon

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What would your opinion be if a school was set up on just Republician ideas? Would you be willing to pay for that?



   No I'd rather not have just one ideology taught but like Cleamatra said there are schools that already do this kinda stuff.


 
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However, there are great Private Schools out there as well, one needs to do the research before sending their children to a private school, just as they should before deciding which public school to send their child to, as in each case, funding is different. Unfortunately, it just so happens that those schools funded by fundamentalist mega-churches have the most money, and for lots of people, money alone is the deciding factor. Of course, money is an important variable, but it alone doesn't determine if the school is any good.



   Yeah that stuff is true. Another factor though is the poor quality of public schools in the area. Some parents send their kids to private schools just so they don't have to go to the public schools. Some of the public schools around where I live have a pretty bad reputation and as a result parents try other alternatives.


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I don't think private schools should receive any funds at all in the US, given that public schools are generally underfunded, and also because private schools aren't held to any sort of academic standard. They can teach pretty much anything they want free of any sort of academic honesty and standard.



   Thats probably the biggest reason not to support funding them. I can remember coloring pictures in history class and having a biology teacher whose teaching qualification was that he took a biology course in college.

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Ulbrec: ...Ennelia and Braston will meet you there, Targos's fate hinges on your success.

My response: I think Targos's fate hinges on how much Shawford can pay us from the Targos treasury.

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Another factor though is the poor quality of public schools in the area. Some parents send their kids to private schools just so they don't have to go to the public schools. Some of the public schools around where I live have a pretty bad reputation and as a result parents try other alternatives.



Yeah, the school I went to was really bad, what 'education' I got there was very little. I think private school would have given a much better chance and with better education most likely.

I don't think the schools around here are that well funded, and the teachers get low pay I believe. (all my good teachers kept leaving), the state of the school I went to was terrible. Although now I believe more work has been done. But it just seems so poor in contrast to say the Grammer schools around here. Where they get a decent education I bet. And in private schools I'm sure the teachers have a better salary too.

There were teachers in my school who had bad English. I remember how we had an English teacher who was Nigerian and it was very difficult to understand her. And how I understood more about computers than most of my IT teachers!! I remember having some good teachers but then they left (of course). Most of the ones that were added couldn't handle teenagers and didn't educate us properly. The teachers also lost my work often, were clueless, uninformative, rude, etc. Anyway I'm sure theres loads more but I won't go into any more. emoticon

Also I didn't like the whole Christian thing in school, we were all given pocket sized Bibles too I remember. emoticon Atleast in R.E though (religious education) we were taught more. Religion wasn't 'shoved' down our throats. But it was there. emoticon

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