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Animals and Emotions


Continuing from the debate I had on another topic with General Queeaqueg about animals. I decided to post an actual thread devoted to them.

I think you would have to be really narrow-minded to believe we're the only ones to have feelings. Anyone who has ever had a pet they cared about would be able to know that its obvious they do. Just because what they feel can't be described in human words it doesn't mean it is an inferior quality.

You can easily tell animals have strong emotions. This comes from common sense and personal observation.

We're not supernatural beings, we are very much the same as animals. We act on instinct aswell.

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Animals can be rational. Humans can be irrational.
One acceptable definition of rationality in a discipline known as "Rational Choice Theory" defines rationality as "taking the shortest route to the goal." One can easily find examples of animals finding the most efficient way to obtain a given food source. Meanwhile, a human may stop to smell the roses on the way to the hunt. Stopping to smell the roses is an irrational act.



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The fact that animals don't express emotions doesn't mean they don't have any. They face the same reality as we do, but they receive it differently and, as their comprehension is limited due to physical reasons, their behaviour towards reality is also limited.
Furthermore, it's a question of degrees: humans' comprehension is also limited. Behind appearances humans also behave following the laws of nature they don't control.


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Last time I checked, humans are animals. Yes, that's right: much as we can make oureselves out to the most superior beings on the planet, we're animals just like the rest of them. In fact, we're primates too. Humans are not completely set apart from the rest of the organisms on Earth.



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Emotions are not at all unique to humans- they are very common in animals. You can perhaps talk about specific emotions being instinctive to specific species- but the 'basic' emotions of anger, fear, contentment AND love (as represented by parental investment and other social bonding) are quite common in non-human animals.



^ Some great points said by some posters on a site..

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I never said animals didn't have emotions, I said that they cannot reason like Humans. Animals have very little self-awareness and that is a fact. If Animals can reason, then they have morals. I known Humans are animals, very special aniamls(though I consider all aniamls and life special). Animals follow instinct, so do humans but we can choose whether we can fight it and animals can't.
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If you think they have no rational behavour and cannot reason, you are wrong. Ever watch March of the Penguins? When one of the mother penguin's chick dies, she was in such pain that she tried to take another penguin's chick. But the group wouldn't allow it, they actually stopped her from taking the other chick, this shows they have morals, an understanding of whats right and wrong. And they definatly have self awareness! How do you mean by little self-awareness anyway? Because you don't see them doing human things like believing in God?

Actually we can't fight instinct. Things we do to survive are instincts, like eating. I'd like to see you try to fight that. emoticon

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Animals do not know the difference between right and wrong.
Many have tried to fight against the instinct to eat, like hunger strikes. Humans can take their own lives, that goes against instinct.
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Did you read my example? How can you go against what the penguins just did there? They know what they're doing, they know right from wrong. If they didn't they would be all over the place, they couldn't survive, but they do.

Yeah maybe in a few very unsual cases does that happen, but in general everyone has to eat.

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