Ugh https://bffdreamsforums.runboard.com/t2853 Runboard| Ugh en-us Thu, 28 Mar 2024 14:36:43 +0000 Thu, 28 Mar 2024 14:36:43 +0000 https://www.runboard.com/ rssfeeds_managingeditor@runboard.com (Runboard.com RSS feeds managing editor) rssfeeds_webmaster@runboard.com (Runboard.com RSS feeds webmaster) akBBS 60 Re: Ughhttps://bffdreamsforums.runboard.com/p62290,from=rss#post62290https://bffdreamsforums.runboard.com/p62290,from=rss#post62290 Let take things slow. Now the Lebanon government is a mainly Christian government, though the country is majority Islamic. Much of the western side like Beirut have large Christian communities. You know, Christians and Muslims can get on. Let’s move on shall we. In 1948, Lebanon teamed up with other Arab Nations(Syria was one) and attacked Israel. The attack failed. Israel were stronger and forced Lebanon into an armistice. The Six Day War came and the same courtiers teamed up against Israel again but were defeated and Israel occupied the Golan Heights plus the West Bank and Gaza Strip. Palestinian fled into Lebanon and attacked Israel from South Lebanon broader and Israel took action and led a force to take the south. Long story short, UN kicked them out and Pro-South Lebanon army took Israel’s place. If you think that is wrong then Britain occupying Germany must have been wrong as well. Israel didn’t like the idea of Lebanon having a pro-Syria government either. We know what Lebanon want, they want the Shebaa Farms and Syria want the Golan Heights but Israel won’t let them go because… well, that be disputed. The land has no real value, I guess Israel keep it to show that they are the true power and they wishg not to be attacked. I never said that Hezbollah were a party in the government but they do have control over the country and the third largest army in the area. Also, if you look at it from Israel’s point of view, the land of Israel was given to them by God (:nono2: ). Even so, no one knows who the land really belongs to. The whole situation is messed. Lebanon, Hezbollah, Palestinian and Israel are all as bad as each other. My view is that Israel are out for a land grab but there is no proof apart from them building a Berlin type wall around stuff. Last point, you'll never beat me and the use of swear words and Patronizing insults will not work either nondisclosed_email@example.com (General Queeaqueg)Tue, 15 Aug 2006 13:26:07 +0000 Re: Ughhttps://bffdreamsforums.runboard.com/p62289,from=rss#post62289https://bffdreamsforums.runboard.com/p62289,from=rss#post62289quote:General Queeaqueg wrote: Yes, Lebanon government is not in real command of the country. The strange thing is that the Lebanon Government is a Christian government and the majority of the country is Christians though there is a large Islamic base there. Lmao, this says lots about your information on Lebanon, Lebanon is majority muslim with 70% to christianities 30%, but the way their elections work forces it to be 50% christian seats and 50% muslim seats, pretty fair eh? I'd say thats probably fairer than a lot of us governments in the west have it. Lebanon has a fucking army, they just didn't want to get involved as it would be provoking the other side to attack them whoever they sided, the whole point of this conflict which is the real bitch is that Lebanon as a country DID NOTHING WRONG, yet they suffer for Israeli's bombing of "Hezbollah". I'd say 1,000 deaths is either very bad aim or very good aim, both worrying. quote:The Militia pretty much runs the country. That was why it was pointless for America to have talks with the Lebanon government. No it doesn't certain groups like Hezbollah have civilian wings which also take part in elections, but out of the 128 odd seats, Hezbollah and the other parties in its co-alition don't even make opposition, they have roughly 25 seats in their alliance bloc, hardly in control. Its not Lebanon the US should have been talking to anyway, it should have been Israel, to stop this madness. quote:Because you are going against Israel. In this world, you say one bad thing about Israel or don't take their side... you're anti-Semitic, heh. Plus, it also looks like you're supporting terrorism. If anti-semetisim is being against the deaths of 1,000 lebanese men women and children, muslims christians and athiests, then I'm gladly anti-semetic. It doesn't mean that, it means anti-jewish, and I'm not anti-jewish. Israel is a country, not a religion, and its government is fucked up beyond belief, so I hate their government. quote:Anyway, why should Israel leave? Didn't Lebanon and a host of other Arab countries invade Israel long ago? Then didn't this country attack the North of Israel with several attacks? I think Israel need to cautious, don't they? Britain, France and others would and do act in the same way when they broader a nation which threatens them. This was wars trying to get the land back to the Palestinians. By Palestinians, I'm refering to the people who were there back in the 40's before they were thrown out of their houses for Zionists (I use the word not as an attempt to label all jews, but just what Zionism means, the movement to the "holy land of jews"). Palestine was home to many muslims, chistians and Jewish people, and the british were trying their best to let as many Jews come in after the events of WW2 but without causing mass migration, but then Zionism came, and Jews flooded the area illegally, and then went to arms and started fighting, the british being cowards left, and then the US accepts Jewish independence of a "borderless state". The wars that happened since then and in the 50's and 60's were attempts to gain back land that Israel were capturing either by their Israeli "Defence" Force, or by telling Zionists to start settlements inside other countries so that they could claim that land and annex it because there were Jews there! And this tactic actually worked! With aid coming in from the US, the arab countries could do little more than sit and watch their land annexed often without a fight. How fucked up is that? Also, you do know that Israel still holds the Golan Heights, which is Syrian land right? You realise that there are Israeli settlements there in syrian land right? You realise that they haven't STOPPED colonising syrian land right? If such a big area ever gets annexed into Israel, I'd say that would be a major cause for consern. Come back when you research this matter more properly, or I'll beat your points easy.nondisclosed_email@example.com (acebloke)Tue, 15 Aug 2006 11:53:08 +0000 Re: Ughhttps://bffdreamsforums.runboard.com/p62288,from=rss#post62288https://bffdreamsforums.runboard.com/p62288,from=rss#post62288Yes, Lebanon government is not in real command of the country. The strange thing is that the Lebanon Government is a Christian government and the majority of the country is Christians though there is a large Islamic base there. The Militia pretty much runs the country. That was why it was pointless for America to have talks with the Lebanon government. Because you are going against Israel. In this world, you say one bad thing about Israel or don't take their side... you're anti-Semitic, heh. Plus, it also looks like you're supporting terrorism. Anyway, why should Israel leave? Didn't Lebanon and a host of other Arab countries invade Israel long ago? Then didn't this country attack the North of Israel with several attacks? I think Israel need to cautious, don't they? Britain, France and others would and do act in the same way when they broader a nation which threatens them. nondisclosed_email@example.com (General Queeaqueg)Tue, 15 Aug 2006 09:02:41 +0000 Re: Ughhttps://bffdreamsforums.runboard.com/p62287,from=rss#post62287https://bffdreamsforums.runboard.com/p62287,from=rss#post62287quote:General Queeaqueg wrote: It is a separate nation which is run by a Lebanese government(but mainly run by Islamic Militia). A word of advice Ace, that comment in your sig should go. I know you’re trying to be different n stuff but some people could take that as being Anti-Semitic Um no its not? Its not "mainly run" by Islamic Militia, its just theres a Militant group in Lebanon, it was born out of the occupation of Lebanon, and it continued to be supported even after 2000, and is now supported by shia, sunni, and christian alike. And how can what I've got in my sig be anti-semetic? Can you explain where in quote:Freedom to Lebanon, Liberation from Israel, Stop the occupation and killing of civilians. any anti-jewish messages have been made? If you want I'll explain it, in fact I'll do it now, if theres something I've magically missed then please tell me: Freedom to Lebanon, Liberation from Israel: What this means is that Israel should move its forces out of Lebanon, which is its own country. Not only that, but it should stop patrolling South Lebanon, which it was doing even after the 2000 pullout. Hezbollah, who not only captured 2 soldiers, but they also killed 7 in the same attack, didn't cross the border, but actually did the attack in Lebanese land, so who started it first? Is it the group opperating in Lebanon, or the military forces in a country thats not its own and has no juristiction? The last bit: Stop the occupation and killing of civilians is that Israel should again pointing out that they should leave, and that both Hezbollah who were firing rockets in the very rough direction of south, and the Israeli's that killed over 1,000 civilians in several hundred bombing raids. Now, if you can please point out where there is any anti-semetic messages in that, I'd love to hear about it.nondisclosed_email@example.com (acebloke)Tue, 15 Aug 2006 03:30:35 +0000 Re: Ughhttps://bffdreamsforums.runboard.com/p62286,from=rss#post62286https://bffdreamsforums.runboard.com/p62286,from=rss#post62286quote:Israel are by no means the good guys in this but nor are Palestine and Lebanon. Which is what I said... quote:Lebanon is not apart of Israel. It is a separate nation which is run by a Lebanese government(but mainly run by Islamic Militia). We know... What I want to say is that the situation is just so confused and messed-up that maybe there is no solution to it.nondisclosed_email@example.com (iamkhearmeroar)Mon, 14 Aug 2006 11:03:09 +0000 Re: Ughhttps://bffdreamsforums.runboard.com/p62285,from=rss#post62285https://bffdreamsforums.runboard.com/p62285,from=rss#post62285Lebanon is not apart of Israel. It is a separate nation which is run by a Lebanese government(but mainly run by Islamic Militia). Get it right, Lebanon attacked Israel first. Israel occupied the South of Lebanon because it kept attacking Israel. You know, Britain occupied Germany after WW2. Israel are by no means the good guys in this but nor are Palestine and Lebanon. A word of advice Ace, that comment in your sig should go. I know you’re trying to be different n stuff but some people could take that as being Anti-Semitic 1982 was the second occupation. 1987 was the first occupation. nondisclosed_email@example.com (General Queeaqueg)Sun, 13 Aug 2006 19:56:12 +0000 Re: Ughhttps://bffdreamsforums.runboard.com/p62284,from=rss#post62284https://bffdreamsforums.runboard.com/p62284,from=rss#post62284The situation in the Middle East,is,in my opinion,completely unsolveable.Each side is made up of religious fanatics,both completely convinced that they are right,when,in the end,neither of them are.Meh,we can't doanything about it,and it appears that neither can the UN.It's going the way of the League of Nations. By the way,General Queequag,Israel invaded the Lebanon in 1982.What confuses me is how the Zionist movement convinced the British government to give them a wholly Jewish state? Wikipedia will be checked,along with the oul' library.nondisclosed_email@example.com (iamkhearmeroar)Sun, 13 Aug 2006 19:07:02 +0000 Re: Ughhttps://bffdreamsforums.runboard.com/p62283,from=rss#post62283https://bffdreamsforums.runboard.com/p62283,from=rss#post62283Thats the thing, the first time Israel went in to try and deal with the PLO, A Palestinian group made of refugees who were thrown out of Israel, and then the christians started backing up Israel and we had all that horrible shit of murder and civil war. Hezbollah is not Palestinian, its Lebanese, and its whole goal has and always has been to liberate Lebanon of Israeli forces, something they had to do even after the 2000 "pullout" because it wasn't really much of a pullout, Israel still had armies in Lebanon like they do still in Syria in the Golan Heights.nondisclosed_email@example.com (acebloke)Sun, 13 Aug 2006 18:25:40 +0000 Re: Ughhttps://bffdreamsforums.runboard.com/p62282,from=rss#post62282https://bffdreamsforums.runboard.com/p62282,from=rss#post62282I think you need to get your facts right here. after WW2, two states were made in Israel: An Arab State and A Jewish State. The Arabs rejected this state and violence started. The Arabs states in the area allianced together. Egyptian, Syrian, Iraqi, Jordanian, and Lebanese forces invaded the Jewish states. It was 1978 when Israeli forces and Palestinian guerrillas clashed in Lebanon. I know what you don't like. You don't like The extreme right-wing Jews is Israel and the Zionist.nondisclosed_email@example.com (General Queeaqueg)Sat, 12 Aug 2006 08:44:41 +0000 Re: Ughhttps://bffdreamsforums.runboard.com/p62281,from=rss#post62281https://bffdreamsforums.runboard.com/p62281,from=rss#post62281An Islamic militant group that wouldn't have existed if it wasn't for Israel invading it the first time nondisclosed_email@example.com (acebloke)Fri, 11 Aug 2006 22:24:17 +0000 Re: Ughhttps://bffdreamsforums.runboard.com/p62280,from=rss#post62280https://bffdreamsforums.runboard.com/p62280,from=rss#post62280Israel don't own Lebanon. It is true that Israel are killing lots of civilians but Israel don't like being next to a country that is run by a Islamic Militia group. I agree that most who fight against are instantly deemed terrorists but Hezbollah are a terrorist group. Not stickying up for Israel because they have caused many atrocities.nondisclosed_email@example.com (General Queeaqueg)Thu, 10 Aug 2006 19:22:35 +0000 Ughhttps://bffdreamsforums.runboard.com/p62279,from=rss#post62279https://bffdreamsforums.runboard.com/p62279,from=rss#post62279Look what you bastards have done, you can't work without me, don't you know whats been going on? Israeli-Lebanese conflict, Israel kills loads of lebanese civilians, anyone who fights back gets deemed a terrorist. Hezbollah Liberated Lebanon before, I hope they can do it again.nondisclosed_email@example.com (acebloke)Thu, 10 Aug 2006 18:28:08 +0000