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Reg: 12-2004
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Re: London Bomb Blasts...


Now, this makes me upset for various reasons...

1. An innocent man has died. This is very distressing, and will only hinder the pathway to healing.

2. It's quite evident that the situation is getting to people. Police killings are very rare in Britain, and the fact that one has cropped up now is not a good sign.

3. You managed to, out of the blue, blame the Americans for this. Your country can take responsibility for its own damn actions. For once, just once, it's all I'm asking, leave them be.

4. The 'eye for an eye' approach is not the best manner to think in. There should indeed be an inquiry, but suggesting 'shoot the police' is not the best response.

5. This has nothing to do with the right wing. I haven't read anywhere about right wing economic policy involving shooting innocent people. If you want to consider a more general approach, Mark Latham defined the wings in this manner...
Right Wing: Fair process.
Left Wing: Fair outcome.
Fair process does NOT involve shooting innocents.
I'm not what you consider right wing, but I know this isn't a right wing approach. Think of the political compass you did. That action is vertical on the scale, rather than a step to the right.

Well, I'm going to shut up for now. A link below is where I found some information.

http://euronews.net/create_html.php?page=detail_info&article=300725&lng=1


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Its only because we're used to hearing about American soldiers or police kill people, innocent ones at that because they can act cowardly, its spreading over here now.

I was saying they should shoot the police down not in a serious tone, but more in an agressive tone at what just happened. Why should they get away with killing an innocent man? They could have handled it alot better.

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I agree, they the situation could've been handled much better. Shooting an innocent man is just not right, for whatever reason. It's just obscene and injust.

(And Arbiter, please don't bring Mark Latham into this, for whatever reason, even as an example of some sort)


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Now, let me make it clear that I never said that the police should get away with this. This is a very grave error of judgement on their part. However, I'm merely pointing out eye for an eye is not fair either. In addition, I don't think it's fair to go and make a low shot at America and say that it's spreading over.

And on Mark Latham, that definition about the wings is the only good thing he came up with. Even Labour Party supporters didn't like the idea of him running the country. Let's just say I'm glad Beazley is back in as a potential PM.

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Well, I agree with you about that comment about America. Just leave them out of it. Yes, I have a few problems with America as well but it's not really their fault that the policemen shot that guy. That action was clearly their own fault, and no matter how much we'd like to blame America, we can't really.

(I completely agree. Beazley being back is heaps better. Latham has done nothing for the labour party. He seems like a complete twit at times. Though that Simon fella could give him a run for his money....)

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  Let me just say that I don't agree with what the police did over there. Holding him down and shooting him 5 times is a bit excessive. Now if they shot him while he was running thats one thing, but to hold him down and then shoot is a bit tasteless. If you already have him subdued why not just cuff him???

   Yeah I really like how this is somehow blamed on the Americans. Please explain to me the logic behind your accusations. I'm really dying to read the stuff you dredge up this time. I'm glad I'm not the only one who sees it that way either because I was fully expecting an orbital bombardment of anti American accusations.

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I explained why I thought its more of an American thing to do usualy. My mum thinks that too. I'm not saying the Amerians are to blame, just saying the Brits are kinda becoming like them. Even though when terrorisim is involved police are more strict, they shouldnt have done what they did. I agree with Gren they should have handcuffed the man.

What's gonna be next? Shoot down anyone whos not white?

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Considering America has the highest friendly fire count, thats where my refrence came in. Over there its alot more common to shoot to kill, hell, police barely even fire a gun in this country, and alot of them arent issued with guns because its not necessary.

The right wing thing was in refrence to the shoot to kill thing. I'll have to dig it up, but there is a mention on race/religion in it. White christians for example, wont get shot in the head 5 times.

Considering that about 60-80% of all elected politicians are Labour or conservative, that also adds up to the right wing approach. I'm disappointed in the Liberal Democrats failure to stick up for the peaceful approach.

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Considering America has the highest friendly fire count, thats where my refrence came in. Over there its alot more common to shoot to kill, hell, police barely even fire a gun in this country, and alot of them arent issued with guns because its not necessary.




    And so when an incident involving a police shooting occurs its automatically the American's fault. Lets forget that it could have been a heat of the moment decision, or one out of personal emotions, no lets first blame the Americans. If the education system starts to decline, rather than researching for possible explanations we'll just blame the Americans. When a water main ruptures its not because the pipe is over a hundred years old, no its because of the Americans. If your light bulb should burn out, its not because its quite old and needs replacing, its because of the Americans. "Ouch! I got a paper cut! Damn those Americans! That wouldn't have happened if not for them."


   Also if police aren't normally issued guns then how can you blame the Americans. If they barely fire a gun, how in the world can you possibly construe that the Americans are to blame?


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I explained why I thought its more of an American thing to do usualy. My mum thinks that too. I'm not saying the Amerians are to blame, just saying the Brits are kinda becoming like them.



  
     Thats fine but considering you don't live over here, and don't have any first hand experience about life over here, I don't think you should be categorizing actions by nationality.

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Ulbrec: ...Ennelia and Braston will meet you there, Targos's fate hinges on your success.

My response: I think Targos's fate hinges on how much Shawford can pay us from the Targos treasury.

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Now I've never been to England, I don't know how things run or how things go down over there, but by read through this read I can gather how it is most of the time over there. I currently live in America, and your right, Police Brutality is an everyday thing here. The news has become so depressing lately, someone dies everyday, that sometimes I just can't bring myself to watch it.

I hope everyone that lives near or in england now is safe, and reamins that way. Rest assured, justice will be served, that I'm sure of. The whole thing is just plain cowardice.

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