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Meh,I don't know what to say anymore.Yeah,legalize it and all that,but at the same time there should be a comparitive study into the effects of both alcohol and marajuana on the body.I wonder which would be the most damaging?

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Hard to say really because they both attack different parts of the body. Lets be honest, smoking anything is going to be bad for you but that doesnt stop tobacco. Alcohol would probably take longer to have an affect so it could be a better choice in the short term but i'd say a lifetime of drinking would end up more harmful as we saw with George Best.

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I'd like to see the affects of cannabis smoke on the lungs,just cannabis smoke mind you.Apparently it contains more tar,but,once again,I've never seen proof.

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I've never seen proof.



Thats a big issue in the apparent dangers of drugs, alot of the stuff said is hearsay and stuff made up to scare children away from it rather than telling the truth.

hash that we get here is full of contaminates from deisel to rubber and actual shit so that's not good for you but if it was a controlled substance there would be standards on what goes into it making it alot safer. It obviously isnt good for you but by how much i dont know.

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Another problem is the effects of cannabis on mental illnesses.Y'know the way it's supposed to drive people insane? Turns out if there's a history of mental illness in your family you're not meant to smoke it.Which would be a sensible thing to do,don't you think? Like if there's a history of alcoholism in your family it might not be a good idea to drink.It's probably impossible to get that message across though.

I think some people have it ingrained into their skulls;cannabis:bad,alcohol:good! Nope,not by a long shot.

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Ya i'v heard that one before, it's also supposed to cause schizophrenia. The only evedence for this is on people with other metal problems anyway.

Sean has a good dvd called grass and its a documentary about when cannabis was being outlawd in america. It shows videos used in the 60's and 70's to scare people away from it saying that it causes insanity and even death! emoticon

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ya, haha, its funny alright. "if you smoke marijuana, you WILL become a heroin addict".

stuff they make up is the same with everything i'd say. theres probably no way ya could die from taking one yoke and snortin coke is probably safer than drinkin a can of coke. too much of attin isnt good obviously, but theres no need to scare people away from da ganj

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I'm not a regular poster here, so I'll try to make it breif:


1. I'm in America, so all of my comments concern American policy.

2. If marijuana were legalized, maybe I wouldn't have to worry about it being laced with PCP or even sprayed with hairspray to make it heavier (bought by weight if you didn't know). If the government regulated marijuana sale and even taxed it, users woulnd't have to worry about impure cannabis/hash (as posters have already mentioned).

3. Our police budget is being wasted busting people who are growing plants or just have a gram or two of bud. Time and money is wasted every time somebody is arrested for possession while there are meth cookers and child molesters on our streets. The government spends billions a year on the drug war, (which, by the way, the government is losing) where money could be allocated to catching murderers, robbers, rapists, etc. (you know, the kinds of 'criminals' that actually hurt other people).

4. Users would be much safer if they didn't have to come into contact with gangs/criminals that sell drugs. Usually dealers don't only want to sell you cannabis, they also want to sell you some heroine or coke or meth. I would rather go into a store, show my identification, pay the tax and drive away safe.

5. How accessible is cannabis to a 12 year old? It's much easier for a 12 year old to find cannabis than alcohol because it's unregulated. A majority of kids age 8 and up can find most any drugs in a half hour from their house at the most. If marijuana were legalized, it would be out of he hands of youth (not completely, as that would be absurd to think, but for the most part,). Why do you think they choose marijuana over alcohol or other hard drugs at such a young age anyway? because it's so easily obtained.

6. When it was legalized in Amsterdam, there was an immediate surge of use, but after that, the novelty wore off and Amsterdam's cannabis users is much lower than America's use PER CAPITA. surprise you?

7. The arguments that marijuana causes psychosis and brain damage cannot be proven and both are absurd. Of course you lose a few brain cells from smoking cannabis, but that is only because you are breathing in smoke. No more carbon monoxide is being inhaled than you would with cigarettes. Cannabis does not cause brain cell loss, smoke does( In case you didn't know, there's just as much brain cell loss from smoking cigarettes or even from standing too close to a burning pile) And cannabis has been used as a medicine for people with severe psychosis to help them deal with reality. It does not trigger schitzophrenia, that is just ridiculous. In fact, there has been NO cases of lung cancer from patients that smoke cannabis only. Hard to believe? do research..

8. On that note, cannabis has been used as medicine since the beginning of time. We have THC receptors in our brains that react ONLY with THC (active ingredient in marijuana). We haven't found any substances that bind to our CB (CB1 and CB2) receptors. It's a natural substance that has been used for thousands of years for it's antiseptic properties, for it's soothing and healing properties. Cannabis has been(is) used for many ailments including: headaches, migraines, cramps, sleeping aid, PMS relief, anesthetic, appetite stimulant, antiemetic, intraocular pressure relief, insomnia, A.D.D. and A.D.H.D., asthma, glaucoma, the reduction of tumors (That's right, and by tests done by the DEA), nausea relief, AIDS and cancer treatment relief, epilepsy, multiple sclerosis (ask Montel about that), muscular spasms, arthritis, pure cannabis smoke actually expels carcinogens in the bronchi of the lungs, and the list goes on and on. Look it up...

9. But the reason for it being illegal has nothing to do with irresponsible users, but rather with corporate interestes in mind. DuPont was the major supporter of the Marijuana Tax Act of 1937 because industrial hemp was a threat to their new 'nylon' and plastic products. Henry Aslinger, who spearheaded the anti-marijuana acts convinced the Ways and Means committee that marijuana causes people to become murderers and go crazy. He also claimed that marijuana made 'negro jazz musicians' seduce white women(A HORRIBLE SIN!!!) and 'negro soldiers' that smoked cannabis and showed disrespect to their white officers. Aslinger also claimed that cannibis users were at a high risk to murder or rape somebody.He attributed marijuana to all of society's problems, from the small workforce to rapes and murderers.

10. And most important of all, the government has no right to tell me what I can and can't put into my body. If I want to go and pick the flowers of a natural plant, roll it up and smoke it in my yard, tend to my garden or just sit down and watch a movie,i n the eyes of the government I am a criminal. James Madison said that: "The government that governs least is the one that governmens best". And personally I don't feel like I need the government holding my hand everytime I want to take a piss. Thanks, but no thanks. The use of cannabis is protected by the constitution and our founding fathers grew and used both marijuana and industrial hemp. George Washington even grew his own cannabis and hemp. Benjamin Franklin started one of America's first printing presses with hemp paper, the constitution is hemp, etc.

Sorry for the long post,I tried to make it brief. I'd like to hear some replies to the points I've made

Thanks
Craig

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 Lunatic, you really remind me of my friend, he's heavily into punk music, i swear i've heard him say something along the lines of point no 10. And jeeze, he's explained number 8 and 9 to me as well! I pretty much agree with everything you said... and you've backed up all of your points. You've actually pretty much screwed up the idea of 'there are risks involved with...' thing thats been going on over here. We've been getting a something called 'drug education' in our schools (Brit here) thats been saying there are risks involved with smoking cannibis and tip toed around the bush about what actually goes on. Thanks for that, hope you wouldn't mind me talking about what you said to my mentioned friend? Definatly think he'd like to hear that.

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 We've been getting a something called 'drug education' in our schools (Brit here) thats been saying there are risks involved with smoking cannibis and tip toed around the bush about what actually goes on.



I'm sure it can't be wors than the states where we are told that it's a 'gateway drug' that will have all of us hooked on heroine soon enough. And they tell us that cannabis makes us stupid and lose motivation. Yet alcohol is legal... go figure...

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 Thanks for that, hope you wouldn't mind me talking about what you said to my mentioned friend? Definatly think he'd like to hear that.



that would be great, also I would suggest the book "The Emperor Wears No Clothes" by Jack Herer. It's the cannabis activist's bible





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