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And also immigrants aren't trying to take over another country with their culture. Just let them be themselves without judging them. Culture is very unique and is what makes us all different. I agree that it would be boring having the same sort of people around you who believe and do the same things that you do too.

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Nobody ever said you had to celebrate their customs. I'm sure you aren't forced at gunpoint to do so.



No we dont have to. At the moment. But they dont bother doing our customs or respect us in the slightest to even learn our lauguage properly.

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I see what you mean and hopefully you can help sustain your culture. I still don't think that gives you the right to ban other cultures.



It gives me every right and all the scottish people the right to do so to protect what is and what has been rightfully there' for genarations. If it inflicts apon our culture then it is best to be done without. They still have no right to bring there's to this country.

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Basically culture changes all the time and I think getting too attached to it can be detrimental.



Really you are saying to me i should just end my life right now. My culture and the people's culture is more than what you think. it is part of our beliefs part of what we are and where we came from. If i lose that then a big part of me dies as well. I wont hand my culture over without a fight.

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They might bring over parts of their culture to make themselves feel more at home. It has to be quite intimidating living in a foreign country and being surrounded by an alien culture. The normal response to this is to congregate with similar people and this is why many cities have Chinatowns and other ethnic enclaves. That said I don't believe immigrants main reason for bringing over their culture is to replace the current one. It takes a little more than simply bringing over a culture to replace another one. Many in fact adopt the customs of their new country.



That is what i am trying to get at. You just sayed what i dont want. For them to bring there culture to make it there home as before in there intended country. I know it is hard moveing to another country. But why move to the country in the first place if you already like your culture. If they dont like there country then fine. But i think it is a fair price to pay if they want to come into this country.

You wouldn't understand what i am saying because you live in a multiculture country. But scotland was never a multi culture country and was never intenede to be one. Why because it just fuckes everything up. I mean what is the point in haveing diffrent countrys if they are all going to have the mixed culture. To me that is stupid and mad. Every where you went would be the same. Also it is much harder to substain a countrys culture when it is mixed race with other cultures. It just causes more outbreaks and voilence.

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No we dont have to. At the moment. But they dont bother doing our customs or respect us in the slightest to even learn our lauguage properly.



You shouldn't catergorize imigrants, like they're all the same. No one is the same, but you'd find most are willing to learn the language or have done so already before coming into the country. But you should give them that opertunaty the learn the language, no one can just pick it up as soon as they hear someone speak, it takes awhile to learn a language completey and people are too hard on everyone who is different to them, they see it as a threat because they don't understand it. It's not fair to say to someone "Go back to your own country because you don't understand English."

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It gives me every right and all the scottish people the right to do so to protect what is and what has been rightfully there' for genarations. If it inflicts apon our culture then it is best to be done without. They still have no right to bring there's to this country.



I understand that the Scottish culture should not disappear and it will not aslong as there are Scottish people, which I'm sure Scotland has. Scotland should be able to control their culture but not discriminate against people who follow another countries culture (being their culture they grew up in and know). What makes them have no right? Arent they people? Don't we have freedom to do what we want? If this is the kind of attitude everyone has then the world will be like a prison.

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Really you are saying to me i should just end my life right now. My culture and the people's culture is more than what you think. it is part of our beliefs part of what we are and where we came from. If i lose that then a big part of me dies as well. I wont hand my culture over without a fight.



Yeah, its apart of you. No ones asking you to change your culture, how would you feel if you had to leave Scotland but werent allowed to show anything from your culture in that country? Always think about how it would be if you were in the situation.

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That is what i am trying to get at. You just sayed what i dont want. For them to bring there culture to make it there home as before in there intended country. I know it is hard moveing to another country. But why move to the country in the first place if you already like your culture. If they dont like there country then fine. But i think it is a fair price to pay if they want to come into this country.



How would you understand the reasons a person leaves their country? Maybe they left because of war and they had to? How would you feel if Scotland got into a war and you had to move to a safer country but people there told you to be like them and only go with THEIR culture, don't tell me you wouldn't find that unfair in the slightest. You shouldn't have to completey change what culture you've been growing up in and are used to just because you are in another country, if you have a home you can design it the way you want, not to how every home has to look. We are all unique and having differences is a good thing bav, not a bad.

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You wouldn't understand what i am saying because you live in a multiculture country. But scotland was never a multi culture country and was never intenede to be one. Why because it just ****es everything up. I mean what is the point in haveing diffrent countrys if they are all going to have the mixed culture. To me that is stupid and mad. Every where you went would be the same. Also it is much harder to substain a countrys culture when it is mixed race with other cultures. It just causes more outbreaks and voilence.

I dont mind mulit



You can't stop countries from having different kinds of people, different races, gays, etc. Everywhere people have the freedom to go where they please and do what they want, aslong as it isn't harming anyone else it shouldn't bother you.

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You know, when people migrate to a foreign country that has a different language, they usually do try to learn that language, even if they aren't fluent in it. And it's not their fault if they can't learn it properly, word for word. And Bav, you sound so....unappreciating of other cultures. So if someone practised another culture in Scotland, you would discriminate against them, is that what you mean? I can understand if you're trying to salvage your own culture but don't put down immigrants just because they want to bring their own culture to another country.I really don't see the problem with a mix of cultures in one country. It only makes things a bit more diverse.

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Zeen pretty much took the words out of my mouth but let me reiterate and bring up a few other points.




No we dont have to. At the moment. But they dont bother doing our customs or respect us in the slightest to even learn our lauguage properly.

     Like zeen said that is just a massive generalization.


It gives me every right and all the scottish people the right to do so to protect what is and what has been rightfully there' for genarations. If it inflicts apon our culture then it is best to be done without. They still have no right to bring there's to this country.


   No it doesn't. The only way I can see that it would inflict upon your culture is if you let it. People become apathetic and don't do anything to change the situation. If the Scottish people don't want their culture to change then it won't.




Really you are saying to me i should just end my life right now. My culture and the people's culture is more than what you think. it is part of our beliefs part of what we are and where we came from. If i lose that then a big part of me dies as well. I wont hand my culture over without a fight.


     Oh I know exactly what you think. I have great pride in being an American and in particular being from Baltimore. The culture in Baltimore has changed over the years and if I were to lose that then I would also feel as if a part of me had died. My city has plenty of ethnic groups living inside of it and their culture hasn't encroached upon our own. Why?? Because the people of Baltimore haven't let it, and its as simple as that. If you don't want your culture to vanish then don't let it. I'd rather let people be free to choose how they want to live rather than trying to control their lives with dictatorial edicts.





That is what i am trying to get at. You just sayed what i dont want. For them to bring there culture to make it there home as before in there intended country. I know it is hard moveing to another country. But why move to the country in the first place if you already like your culture. If they dont like there country then fine. But i think it is a fair price to pay if they want to come into this country.

      Like zeen said what if they are fleeing famine or war??? I agree that immigrants should respect their host country's culture but to tell them to completely get rid of theirs would be to alienate them even further. I would have no problem letting those people practice their own culture. And guess what??? It wouldn't infringe upon mine because I will continue to practice mine and not theirs. They aren't forcing you at gunpoint to conform to their ways. Just because people from different cultures start to move in around me doesn't mean I have to start practicing their culture.




You wouldn't understand what i am saying because you live in a multiculture country. But scotland was never a multi culture country and was never intenede to be one. Why because it just ****es everything up.

       When I travel to different areas of the country is as if I was going to another country altogether. Thats how different various regions in the US are. You could move from the North to the South and feel completely out of place. Thats why I understand. But I also understand that banning another culture is in no way a solution to preserve one's own. If someone from one culture experiences another and enjoys it, then let him/her practice that one and renounce the former. Its their choice and I don't see why that should be controlled.





I mean what is the point in haveing diffrent countrys if they are all going to have the mixed culture. To me that is stupid and mad. Every where you went would be the same. Also it is much harder to substain a countrys culture when it is mixed race with other cultures. It just causes more outbreaks and voilence.


   There is nothing wrong with having a mixed culture. It wouldn't be the same because people of different ethnicity would preserve their own culture. I also think more violence would result in trying to suppress another culture rather then letting them coexist.

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Zeen, Gren, how can you tell Bav he must accept everyone and everything
Isn't this directly not accepting him and his beliefs

I really don't know what to say here
I want to agree with you two....

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Accepting is about acceptence of everyone and all individuals. Bav doesn't accept people who are different to him, he'd rather his country stay with its own culture.

You can't accept something thats about not accepting. You know?

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You shouldn't catergorize imigrants, like they're all the same. No one is the same, but you'd find most are willing to learn the language or have done so already before coming into the country. But you should give them that opertunaty the learn the language, no one can just pick it up as soon as they hear someone speak, it takes awhile to learn a language completey and people are too hard on everyone who is different to them, they see it as a threat because they don't understand it. It's not fair to say to someone "Go back to your own country because you don't understand English."




Hold on here. I know that all imagrants are not the same. I know some are willing and i respect that. What i was ment to put around was that. There are many who dont bother to learn the lauguage to the full extent and only learn key words. I dont see it as a threat as much but dissrespectfull for those that have spent many years and have not bothered to do diddle squat.

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but not discriminate against people who follow another countries culture (being their culture they grew up in and know). What makes them have no right? Arent they people? Don't we have freedom to do what we want? If this is the kind of attitude everyone has then the world will be like a prison.



Every one has freedom to do things. Then again they dont. I thinking you are getting confused to easily and missing the point. We have laws that restrict us for our own good do we not. To protect our society and the farwell being of people. I beleif we should have order in our culture as well. That is all. I am not trying to get rid of anyones freedom. They have a choice if they can stay or go. If they dont like it then they can go has simple as that.

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Yeah, its apart of you. No ones asking you to change your culture, how would you feel if you had to leave Scotland but werent allowed to show anything from your culture in that country? Always think about how it would be if you were in the situation



I already answered this question before. Our culture will be altered if it gets mixed up with any other one. or there may be a chance it could. If i went to another country yes i wouldn't bring my culture as it would be dissrespectfull. i would learn theres and there customs and respect the way they do things over there. Just as they should if they came over here. There is no point in going to another country bring one's self culture. Really the only thing you would be doing would be advertising it.

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How would you understand the reasons a person leaves their country? Maybe they left because of war and they had to? How would you feel if Scotland got into a war and you had to move to a safer country but people there told you to be like them and only go with THEIR culture, don't tell me you wouldn't find that unfair in the slightest. You shouldn't have to completey change what culture you've been growing up in and are used to just because you are in another country, if you have a home you can design it the way you want, not to how every home has to look. We are all unique and having differences is a good thing bav, not a bad



Very intresting but not that relavent. Well if they were here temporierly here or if they were on holiday then it is ok as far as i am concerned. If there country is at war then yes i would let them keep the culture for the time being till they were transfered back or to some where else. if i did move i would learn there culture. then when i went back would learn mine again simple yes. Yes true if you have a home you can design it the way you want to and be diffrent to everyone else. But you can't be allowed to design the culture around and shape it the way you want it to be. i know diffrences are good zeen and that is why i am trying to keep my culture the peoples culture and my countrys culture alive. I respect peoples diffrences in many ways. My culture is unique and so is everyone's else's for that matter. I am wanting to save my peoples uniqueness for them. And i care for other cultures too. that is why i also dont like the idea either.

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You can't stop countries from having different kinds of people, different races, gays, etc. Everywhere people have the freedom to go where they please and do what they want, aslong as it isn't harming anyone else it shouldn't bother you.



Ok i dont know were you were going with this one here. I am fine with gays or any of the sort or religion. i dont mind. But i mind there culture that is all. Why because it harms our culture. It may also harm theres as well. And it also harms people as well. Because it cause's more out break of expressed violence among this.

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People become apathetic and don't do anything to change the situation. If the Scottish people don't want their culture to change then it won't.



True. But they will breed us out with there beliefs. You have to understand. They think and want to be regarded as scottish people but yet they want to have there own culture and not scotlands. I am sorry but if they want to be scottish they should learn our culture to be.

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There is nothing wrong with having a mixed culture. It wouldn't be the same because people of different ethnicity would preserve their own culture. I also think more violence would result in trying to suppress another culture rather then letting them coexist.



If we have a mixed culture then most of the origanal will be altered through the erosion of time. This is were you are so wrong. The french dont let any other cultures harm there's and are very strict apon this. There culture is very much kept alive and people there are happy. There is also less out breaks because of this.

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but don't put down immigrants just because they want to bring their own culture to another country.I really don't see the problem with a mix of cultures in one country. It only makes things a bit more diverse



i dont put imagrants down. I like imagrants alot. Apart from what i belive they are just like any other human being alive and would treat them as a equal. But no if they brought there culture i would have to be against it.

Then again i am not saying there is anything wrong with mulit culture countrys and are good for a few reason. But scotland is not a multi culture country and was never intented to be one. Other countrys can change but i think scotland should be diffrent that the rest.

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Hold on here. I know that all imagrants are not the same. I know some are willing and i respect that. What i was ment to put around was that. There are many who dont bother to learn the lauguage to the full extent and only learn key words. I dont see it as a threat as much but dissrespectfull for those that have spent many years and have not bothered to do diddle squat.



I agree, if people move to another country and live there, they should atleast try to understand the language of the country they are living in. But I havent met a single person like that here in England who doesn't know English. I know there are a few who don't know the language fully, but it takes time to learn a language and some take longer than others. Though my dad knows 3 languages and my mum knows almost 4 completey, lol.

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Every one has freedom to do things. Then again they dont. I thinking you are getting confused to easily and missing the point. We have laws that restrict us for our own good do we not. To protect our society and the farwell being of people. I beleif we should have order in our culture as well. That is all. I am not trying to get rid of anyones freedom. They have a choice if they can stay or go. If they dont like it then they can go has simple as that.



Nah I know we have laws to stop us from doing things go against them, things that shouldn't be allowed and that bring the country down. But getting rid of new cultures isn't a law, and it should never be one. People are free to do as they please, but not if its wrong. And we have laws to tell us whats right and wrong to put us in our place. And like I said before, they may not have a choice in leaving, its not as simple as you seem to think.

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I already answered this question before. Our culture will be altered if it gets mixed up with any other one. or there may be a chance it could. If i went to another country yes i wouldn't bring my culture as it would be dissrespectfull. i would learn theres and there customs and respect the way they do things over there. Just as they should if they came over here. There is no point in going to another country bring one's self culture. Really the only thing you would be doing would be advertising it.



Like I said before too, if Scotland were really so devoted to their culture they would be able to control their country.

If you were forced to move to say Africa and you had to follow in their culture, how would you feel? I really really doubt you would leave your Scottish culture behind. Like you said previously its an important part of your life, but its like your being a hypicrate by wanting people of other cultures to change theirs just because they're in "your" country.

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Very intresting but not that relavent. Well if they were here temporierly here or if they were on holiday then it is ok as far as i am concerned. If there country is at war then yes i would let them keep the culture for the time being till they were transfered back or to some where else. if i did move i would learn there culture. then when i went back would learn mine again simple yes. Yes true if you have a home you can design it the way you want to and be diffrent to everyone else. But you can't be allowed to design the culture around and shape it the way you want it to be. i know diffrences are good zeen and that is why i am trying to keep my culture the peoples culture and my countrys culture alive. I respect peoples diffrences in many ways. My culture is unique and so is everyone's else's for that matter. I am wanting to save my peoples uniqueness for them. And i care for other cultures too. that is why i also dont like the idea either.



So you would let them keep their culture aslong as it was for a specific time? That's a bit funny. And yes you can "design" culture the way you want it to be, its YOUR life. You can choose to follow what religion you want, what sexuality you want, and what culture you want to follow by. What country your in shouldn't effect that, its very disrespectful to go up to someone and say "Get out of my country because your not following our proper culture." It's almost racist and showing you have no respect for other people's way of living.



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Ok i dont know were you were going with this one here. I am fine with gays or any of the sort or religion. i dont mind. But i mind there culture that is all. Why because it harms our culture. It may also harm theres as well. And it also harms people as well. Because it cause's more out break of expressed violence among this.



Yeah I was using them as examples they werent directly about you.

And how does it "harm" your culture? They're not going around saying bad things about it or your country. They just want to live their lives, you can't simply change one's way of living unless they wanted to.

Though I'd have to agree with you it does give more voilence, which is what I had said in one of my earlier posts in this topic. Theres a place not far from me with a very mixed culture and it has one of the worst crime rates in England. I definatly think the mixed cultures has something to do with that, but its just the people with these racist attitudes that need to learn differently, people who respect and believe everyone as equals are the people who should be living in this world. Racism disgusts me.

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True. But they will breed us out with there beliefs. You have to understand. They think and want to be regarded as scottish people but yet they want to have there own culture and not scotlands. I am sorry but if they want to be scottish they should learn our culture to be.



My parents kind of left their culture behind as soon as they arrived here, my dad knew English before he came but my mum didn't fully. They had parts of their culture at first but soon became used to England and everything here. Though because they've spent half their life here and half their life in their own country they will still have massive parts of themselves from both sides. You can never really abandon ones way of life, even if you are in another country.

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If we have a mixed culture then most of the origanal will be altered through the erosion of time. This is were you are so wrong. The french dont let any other cultures harm there's and are very strict apon this. There culture is very much kept alive and people there are happy. There is also less out breaks because of this.



Lol, I don't think all Scots will go unless you lose control of your country which shouldn't happen.

I didn't know that about the French, maybe they're just trying to get more imgirants out and so they move to England or any other country instead. Still think people should be allowed to follow whatever they like aslong as it doesnt hurt anyone.

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i dont put imagrants down. I like imagrants alot. Apart from what i belive they are just like any other human being alive and would treat them as a equal. But no if they brought there culture i would have to be against it.

Then again i am not saying there is anything wrong with mulit culture countrys and are good for a few reason. But scotland is not a multi culture country and was never intented to be one. Other countrys can change but i think scotland should be diffrent that the rest.



I'm glad you'd still treat them as any other human, this world has got so racist, especially now seeing all the suicide bombings. It makes me laugh how on the news they have to mention that not all muslims and islamics believe the same as the suicide bombers. It's like saying if a Christian group wanted to go around killing Transexuals and Homosexuals that all Christian's arent like this. But I know they wouldn't say that. If white people do terrorisim then no one really cares that much, but if its people of a different race, thats when theres racisem. It's like people think whites are superior. It's disgusting. Even after those bombings in London a muslim mosque(sp?) got set on fire. Look at 9/11, I don't think anyone doesnt know about that. Americans still go on about it, because they thought they were invincible, but they were wrong. I know terrorisim is a disgusting thing aswell but some people forget about what goes on in other countries.

Maybe I've gone too far with that, but the world is getting like this.



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