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I have a question. If you are so for the enviroment, then why are you suggesting to melt some of the ice caps? Sure lets melt the ice caps and flood the earth. Good job. I mean you talk about how great your classes are for this subject and yet you neglect to look this over.

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I believe the conversation was on the Moons ice, not the earths emoticon

Yeah, it'll be tacky if you melted some ice here at home, Britain would be flooded over. Yay, we'll have to all live in Scottland.

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 Hold on now. Melting the ice caps would probably submerge Florida as well. Lets do it! emoticon

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Silly Lieza, I was referring to the ice on the moon. And yes, I realize it would submerge most of the coastal cities and countries, just like anyone else. emoticon Anyways, I'm just saying that before we move onto the topic of going to other celestial bodies for stuff we use up so needlessly and inefficently, we should do more stuff on the homefront to help with water shortages. And while water shortages would be helped with this proposal for rich countries, those less developed countries would suffer. Why should we care? Well because, and this is probably the largest thing in my opinion, we have so much basic industry over there. When was the last time you looked at a piece of clothing and it says, "MADE IN THE USA"? Most of my stuff says Made in Taiwan or China or India. Just think of our economy would be. Maybe you look at that as a good thing, and say good riddence to those countries that have "stolen our jobs" etc. But I feel that all people shoudl be able to get the necessites to live, one of which is water.

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Hmm. Lets see in your previous posts on this topic you are talking about the icecaps on Earth. I recognize this because the moon I dare say has no ice caps. Everything is rock. Granted there is frozen water on the moon, but thats near the north and south poles of the Moon.
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Silly Lieza, I was referring to the ice on the moon. And yes, I realize it would submerge most of the coastal cities and countries, just like anyone else



I don't believe you do realize and are using feeble attempts to elude yourself from your previous thoughts. Plus the moon has no atmosphere. So how are you going to melt it?

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I'm just saying that before we move onto the topic of going to other celestial bodies for stuff we use up so needlessly and inefficently, we should do more stuff on the homefront to help with water shortages.

    I don't consider using iron and other minerals in a large variety of processes to be a waste. Most of these resources are used by industrial and commercial sectors, and directly benefit us in the form of the products that we buy. I don't consider that a waste.
   We are also slowly running out of these resources. The solar system includes a wealth of bodies that could be used to our benefit, from our moon, mars, asteroids, and just about every other planet's moon. Going to the moon would have more benefits than just harvesting resources. It would be an excellent spot for future scientific missions among other things.
    And who knows??? Maybe these missions will eventually lead us to the discovery of how to bioform these planets to more earthlike conditions. The possibilities of such a mission are endless.


And while water shortages would be helped with this proposal for rich countries, those less developed countries would suffer. Why should we care? Well because, and this is probably the largest thing in my opinion, we have so much basic industry over there. When was the last time you looked at a piece of clothing and it says, "MADE IN THE USA"? Most of my stuff says Made in Taiwan or China or India. Just think of our economy would be. Maybe you look at that as a good thing, and say good riddence to those countries that have "stolen our jobs" etc. But I feel that all people shoudl be able to get the necessites to live, one of which is water.


    It is the duty of the government to look out and provide for its people. That is what we would be doing by going to the Moon. The United States should first and foremost conduct such an operation for the benefit of it's citizens, not those of another nation. We've worked long and hard to develop the technologies to make such a venture possible, therefore any fruits of such an operation should directly benefit the American people.
    This does not mean I believe in hoarding all of our wealth. We should try to help those less fortunate than ourselves, but the possibility for these poor countries to develop lies ultimately in the hands of their own people and governments.
   A lunar operation would probably be a primarily US funded and operated mission to begin with. I'm sure other countries would probably contribute, but if we are going to spend the money for such an operation, then we should be doing it for our benefit. Also such an operation would generate more wealth for the country. So the more wealth we have, the more we can spread around to others. In the end a lunar mission could benefit countries other than the US.
   
    

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Hmm. Lets see in your previous posts on this topic you are talking about the icecaps on Earth. I recognize this because the moon I dare say has no ice caps. Everything is rock. Granted there is frozen water on the moon, but thats near the north and south poles of the Moon.
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Silly Lieza, I was referring to the ice on the moon. And yes, I realize it would submerge most of the coastal cities and countries, just like anyone else



I don't believe you do realize and are using feeble attempts to elude yourself from your previous thoughts. Plus the moon has no atmosphere. So how are you going to melt it?



I am sorry if that is what you think. I don't know anything about ice on the moon, I have really no clue where it is, how it got there, or whatever, or any way that we could transport it back to the earth. I was trying to make a point with "We could probably just as easily melt some of the icecaps, or perhaps get better distillation processes and use sea water." I was being sarcastic about melting the ice on the moon and how it would be easy (that was sarcastic in case you didn't catch that) and my suggestion was why not just get better distillation processes and use the seawater here? If you would like to continue to attack my posts without offering any information, then go ahead. But I thought this was a debate, not let's just attack other people's posts. My intent with this is not to bicker among members, but to offer information people may not be aware of. But from what I found on the internet, sources say there isn't any, or there isn't very much on the moon.
http://www.news.cornell.edu/releases/June97/Moon.lb.html
http://www.msnbc.com/news/992553.asp?0cv=TB10&cp1=1
There were also links that pointed to sources saying yes there were, but those were dated a year or two before the links above.
This link (http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1998/03/980306043804.htm) talks about the costs, saying "Currently, it costs about $10,000 to put one pound of material into orbit. NASA is conducting technology research with the goal of reducing that figure by a factor of 10, to only $1,000 per pound. Using an estimate of 33 million tons from the lower range detected by Lunar Prospector, it would cost $60 trillion to transport this volume of water to space at that rate, with unknown additional cost of transport to the Moon's surface."
*sigh* I'm so tired. X_x
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I am sorry if that is what you think. I don't know anything about ice on the moon, I have really no clue where it is, how it got there, or whatever, or any way that we could transport it back to the earth. I was trying to make a point with "We could probably just as easily melt some of the icecaps, or perhaps get better distillation processes and use sea water." I was being sarcastic about melting the ice on the moon and how it would be easy (that was sarcastic in case you didn't catch that) and my suggestion was why not just get better distillation processes and use the seawater here? If you would like to continue to attack my posts without offering any information, then go ahead.



What do you mean attack your post? Is this not a debate? Is not anything that you or anyone else posted been an attack on someone elses post because of the disagreement you have with the other persons opinion? Also. On the approach of your sarcasm it is relitively difficult to tell the difference between being serious and being sarcastic on the internet if you have not noticed. Mainly this is do to the fact that we can't express emotions without emoticons. Otherwise since you were talking about being serious before on this whole discussion. Your words would be counted as such.

Now back to the water issue. I have a question for you. What do you think we are already doing with the sea water? Letting it sit around and wash on the beaches? Plus water isn't that big of an issue. The Sea water evaporates into the clouds. The clouds condense the water and after its condensation the Rain falls into Fresh Water as well as Sea Water. Where we are distilling it.

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I am sorry if that is what you think. I don't know anything about ice on the moon, I have really no clue where it is, how it got there, or whatever, or any way that we could transport it back to the earth.

   Read this. Its pretty interesting. http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/planetary/ice/ice_moon.html This article is fairly recent as well. 1998 to be exact.

This link (http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1998/03/980306043804.htm) talks about the costs, saying "Currently, it costs about $10,000 to put one pound of material into orbit. NASA is conducting technology research with the goal of reducing that figure by a factor of 10, to only $1,000 per pound. Using an estimate of 33 million tons from the lower range detected by Lunar Prospector, it would cost $60 trillion to transport this volume of water to space at that rate, with unknown additional cost of transport to the Moon's surface."
*sigh* I'm so tired. X_x


    Those few sentences are a bit misleading. That would be the price to transport the amount of water found on the moon, from earth. In other words if we wanted to transport an equal amount of water discovered on the moon, from earth, it would cost that much.
    The main cost of a lunar outpost would be the price of launcing materials into space, for the initial base. I realize this is expensive but the amount of materials that could be shipped back to Earth would easily offset the cost. Also this is another reason why it is important to privatize the industry. I'm sure there are plenty of willing entrepreneurs waiting to make some money.
    



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I am quite aware of the water cycle, and there is more to it than that. But, the evidence is out there. I rest my case on this debate. It was quite a pleasure, Grenseal. emoticon
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