Reg: 04-2003 Loc: London, England Posts: 8839 Greatness: 284 (+380/-96)
Re: reasons for which others dislike Americans and Christians so much Yeah it is weird...
My passport ends in 2014, so it can't be true. If it were to end in 2012, they'd have put that as the limit! Maybe we need to use it for the rocket launch to escape to the moon when the world ends!
Reg: 11-2003 Loc: Port City Baltimore Posts: 1111 Greatness: 66 (+81/-15)
Re: reasons for which others dislike Americans and Christians so much Hum dee dum, where to start???
First let me point out to you how ridiculous some of the Biblical stories are. Thing about noah and the ark for second, the israelites crossing the red sea, the walls of jericho, etc..... To me they seem quite outrageous, in the sense that they would not be possible for any human to achieve. The only solution to these problems is the invention of an all powerful god that can act on behalf of these people. If god can do anything then these events seem quite reasonable indeed, thus we have to look at whether or not the god of the bible is indeed real. How do we do that??? We take a critical look at the only link we have to this god, the Bible. In it there are claims of god being infallible, therefore if the BIble is not 100% correct, if it is not completely inerrant, if I can find one error within its pages, then the whole structure it represents begins to crumble. Since the BIble was inspired by god, it must be perfect becuase he is perfect. It is "God's Word" after all.
These are taken from the New King James:
Matthew 27:5
3 Then Judas, His betrayer, seeing that He had been condemned, was remorseful and brought back the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders, 4 saying, “I have sinned by betraying innocent blood.”
And they said, “What is that to us? You see to it!”
5 Then he threw down the pieces of silver in the temple and departed, and went and hanged himself.
6 But the chief priests took the silver pieces and said, “It is not lawful to put them into the treasury, because they are the price of blood.”
7 And they consulted together and bought with them the potter’s field, to bury strangers in. 8 Therefore that field has been called the Field of Blood to this day.
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and now in Acts
Acts 1:18
16 “Men and brethren, this Scripture had to be fulfilled, which the Holy Spirit spoke before by the mouth of David concerning Judas, who became a guide to those who arrested Jesus; 17 for he was numbered with us and obtained a part in this ministry.”
18 (Now this man purchased a field with the wages of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst open in the middle and all his entrails gushed out. 19 And it became known to all those dwelling in Jerusalem; so that field is called in their own language, Akel Dama, that is, Field of Blood.)
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1.) The first verse states that Judas threw the money down and that the priests used it to buy a field.
The second one states Judas himself bought the field.
I dunno how to resolve this one without changing the language. Doesn't make sense to me.
2.) The first says Judas hung himself, and then in the second one it claims he fell and was disemboweled.
And here is another regarding the Mary Magdalenes visit to Jesus's empty tomb.
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Matthew chapter 28:
"1 Now after the Sabbath, as the first day of the week began to dawn, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to see the tomb. 2 And behold, there was a great earthquake; for an angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door,[a] and sat on it. 3 His countenance was like lightning, and his clothing as white as snow. 4 And the guards shook for fear of him, and became like dead men.
5 But the angel answered and said to the women, “Do not be afraid, for I know that you seek Jesus who was crucified. 6 He is not here; for He is risen, as He said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay. 7 And go quickly and tell His disciples that He is risen from the dead, and indeed He is going before you into Galilee; there you will see Him. Behold, I have told you."
1 Now the first day of the week Mary Magdalene went to the tomb early, while it was still dark, and saw that the stone had been taken away from the tomb. 2 Then she ran and came to Simon Peter, and to the other disciple, whom Jesus loved, and said to them, “They have taken away the Lord out of the tomb, and we do not know where they have laid Him.”
3 Peter therefore went out, and the other disciple, and were going to the tomb. 4 So they both ran together, and the other disciple outran Peter and came to the tomb first. 5 And he, stooping down and looking in, saw the linen cloths lying there; yet he did not go in. 6 Then Simon Peter came, following him, and went into the tomb; and he saw the linen cloths lying there, 7 and the handkerchief that had been around His head, not lying with the linen cloths, but folded together in a place by itself. 8 Then the other disciple, who came to the tomb first, went in also; and he saw and believed. 9 For as yet they did not know the Scripture, that He must rise again from the dead. 10 Then the disciples went away again to their own homes.
Mary Magdalene Sees the Risen Lord
11 But Mary stood outside by the tomb weeping, and as she wept she stooped down and looked into the tomb. 12 And she saw two angels in white sitting, one at the head and the other at the feet, where the body of Jesus had lain. 13 Then they said to her, “Woman, why are you weeping?”
She said to them, “Because they have taken away my Lord, and I do not know where they have laid Him.”
14 Now when she had said this, she turned around and saw Jesus standing there, and did not know that it was Jesus. 15 Jesus said to her, “Woman, why are you weeping? Whom are you seeking?”
She, supposing Him to be the gardener, said to Him, “Sir, if You have carried Him away, tell me where You have laid Him, and I will take Him away.”
16 Jesus said to her, “Mary!”
She turned and said to Him,[a] “Rabboni!” (which is to say, Teacher).
17 Jesus said to her, “Do not cling to Me, for I have not yet ascended to My Father; but go to My brethren and say to them, ‘I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and to My God and your God.’”
18 Mary Magdalene came and told the disciples that she had seen the Lord, and that He had spoken these things to her.
Now these two passages are rife with contradictions
1.) In the first version Mary Magdalene sees one angel, while in the second she sees two.
2.) The angel's dialogue is quite different in each scenario.
3.) In the first version Mary Magdalene goes to the tomb and then sees the angel, in the second she goes there, then goes back to peter, and then sees the angels.
4.) In the first version Mary and another Mary go to the tomb, notice the use of the word "them". In the second version Mary visits the tomb by herself.
5.) In the first version Mary runs from the tomb and then meets Jesus. In the second she meets him while still at the tomb.
I'll stop there. I'm sure you can pick up a few more on your own.
Now let me say that this successfully demonstrates that the Bible is indeed imperfect. How then can we know what is true, and what isn't if there are errors within it's pages??? I believe the more logical answer to this problem is that the bible was written by humans and as such contains errors. That is why I don't believe in the Biblical account of creation and why I put more stock in science.
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Re: reasons for which others dislike Americans and Christians so much :up: some good points there. There is also a lot of theories saying Jesus was married to Mary Magdalene, and since the church didn't want people to know this they portrayed her as a prostitute.
The story of Moses and the 10 commandments is fairly dodgy too. If you read the story then you will see that at the time in the desert, a lot of people were losing faith in moses and starting to rebel, then moses got the 10 commandments from god when he was in the mountains (basically).
If you think about it it makes sense that people were getting pissed at moses cos it was taking them years to cross the desert and he didn't have a clue where he was going so then moses got the idea to go up some mountain and make out the 10 commandments and told everyone he got them off god to restore faith in him.
omnislash, have you read the book of revelations? In this we are told that before god ruled the earth, it was ruled by Satan and demons then god sent down plagues and started burning people to force them into believing in god and there was wars. it's definitely the most interesting book in the bible.
I think if this had happened it would be written somewhere in history books ( a real one not the bible ).
--- "I pity you who understand nothing." - Cloud.
"I keep the bible in a pool of blood so that none of its lies can affect me"- Tom Araya
reasons for which others dislike Americans and Christians so much Btw, on the american topic, while I was listing a lot of things I was going to post, almost all are simply linked to the fact that america's government and country are slightly facist, and simply bred that way.
I dont really see the point in listing everything, but to name a few, the obsession with guns and crime and punishment, the horrible flag waving thing, the facist styled patriotism and nationalism, the self-obsessed nature and the stupidity of a number of politicians, along with that horrid written constitution.
--- Freedom to Lebanon, Liberation from Israel, Stop the occupation and killing of civilians.
Reg: 11-2003 Loc: Port City Baltimore Posts: 1111 Greatness: 66 (+81/-15)
Re: reasons for which others dislike Americans and Christians so much Well you know I can't stand by and let you say that without responding.
1.) What is wrong with owning guns??? I know plenty of people who own them. Some have dozens in their house and yet they never committ a crime with them, they never tote them around like they are toys, and they never use the inappropriately. If you don't like guns, fine, don't own them, but why should law abiding citizens be barred from owning them??? I find it quite fun to go to a shooting range and take some target practice. I don't think there is anything wrong with that.
2.) I'm not quite sure what you mean with out obsession with crime and punishment. We obviously aren't that obsessed with it when cities like Baltimore are ridden with crime.
3.) And what's wrong with waving and displaying the flag??? Usually around our independence day alot of people put flags on their porches. This ties in with that patriotism/nationalism remark. Again, whats wrong with loving your country??? I have great pride in being an American, and even more so in being a Baltimorean.
4.) Also what do you find so horrid about our constitution???
--- Icewind Dale II talk
Ulbrec: ...Ennelia and Braston will meet you there, Targos's fate hinges on your success.
My response: I think Targos's fate hinges on how much Shawford can pay us from the Targos treasury.
Reg: 04-2003 Loc: London, England Posts: 8839 Greatness: 284 (+380/-96)
Re: reasons for which others dislike Americans and Christians so much
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1.) What is wrong with owning guns??? I know plenty of people who own them. Some have dozens in their house and yet they never committ a crime with them, they never tote them around like they are toys, and they never use the inappropriately. If you don't like guns, fine, don't own them, but why should law abiding citizens be barred from owning them??? I find it quite fun to go to a shooting range and take some target practice. I don't think there is anything wrong with that.
You do realize how huge gun shooting crimes are in America don't you? This is exactly because of the "Everyone should own a gun" attitude. I personaly think this is the wrong way to go about it. Guns = Killing. More Guns = More Killing. Get the point? You probably start out with guns at a very young age over there which of course is wrong, no matter how mature you think you are. At that age guns should not be handed to kids, look at what happened to Zidane not so long ago. You may know some people that don't use them inappropriately, but the evidence on overall Americans proves differently. I am against parents owning guns in their house where kids could easily get their hands on them. You make it sound like guns are toys.
I find it funny how Americans act all tough and strong, put them in a life and death situation and they'd shoot anything that moves. This is probably down to the "Everyone owning a gun" attitude and "Being an American" makes it right to kill anyone if they are possibily a threat. Look at what happened in New Orleans, the police randomly going on killing sprees.
Reg: 11-2003 Loc: Port City Baltimore Posts: 1111 Greatness: 66 (+81/-15)
Re: reasons for which others dislike Americans and Christians so much
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You do realize how huge gun shooting crimes are in America don't you? This is exactly because of the "Everyone should own a gun" attitude. I personaly think this is the wrong way to go about it. Guns = Killing. More Guns = More Killing. Get the point?
Yeah of course I realize how big a problem gun crime is here. I live in Baltimore for the love of Black Bess. I also know most of the gun crime is perpetrated by lifetime criminals, and that most of these are in the drug trade. They grow up in poor conditions and would commit crimes with or without guns. There are hundreds of stabbings in the city every year and yet nobody seems gung ho on banning knives. Its the people who use weapons which are the problems, not the weapons themselves. If you fix the people then crime would drop. And that is the exact problem with Baltimore. Many people live in poor conditions and resort to crime and drugs in order to live. Gun crime in the safer middle class suburbs in quite low. Its a direct result of how you are raised, and who raises you. Gun crime is less in the suburbs because more people are taught how to responsibly own a gun.
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You probably start out with guns at a very young age over there which of course is wrong, no matter how mature you think you are. At that age guns should not be handed to kids, look at what happened to Zidane not so long ago.
Of course guns shouldn't be handed to kids. If someone does hand a gun to a child, who is to blame??? The gun, or the person who gave it to them??? Answer me that.
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You may know some people that don't use them inappropriately, but the evidence on overall Americans proves differently
What evidence Zeen??? Like I said, I know dozens of people who own guns and don't use them in criminal acts.
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I am against parents owning guns in their house where kids could easily get their hands on them. You make it sound like guns are toys.
Lets examine this for a bit. If a parent has a child and guns as well what should he/she do??? Well my father gave his guns over to a neighbor to keep while we were children. You could also buy locks to put on the guns which prevents them from being fired. Problem solved. Now of course this doesn't mean you teach you kid how to use a gun when they are 8, you just prevent them from trying anything stupid.
Also guess what the first thing my father taught me about guns??? He told me they weren't toys. I was 16 at the time and quickly realized he was correct. Some with the lethal power of a gun is not a toy, and many people realize that. Now of course not everyone is mature enough at 16 to be able to handle a gun, but why should I be penalized for their ineptitude??? You still haven't explained that one to me.
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I find it funny how Americans act all tough and strong, put them in a life and death situation and they'd shoot anything that moves. This is probably down to the "Everyone owning a gun" attitude and "Being an American" makes it right to kill anyone if they are possibily a threat. Look at what happened in New Orleans, the police randomly going on killing sprees.
I guess you didn't know that the police were being shot at as well. The case in New Orleans was an extreme situation and isn't comparable to an everyday experience.
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Most of them are like this.
I never knew you had such intricate knowledge of over 200 million people. I'm amazed. Thats just a mass generalization.
--- Icewind Dale II talk
Ulbrec: ...Ennelia and Braston will meet you there, Targos's fate hinges on your success.
My response: I think Targos's fate hinges on how much Shawford can pay us from the Targos treasury.
reasons for which others dislike Americans and Christians so much "I'm not going to improperly use a gun" isnt really a good justification, while I'm sure you arent going to go on a crazy shooting, whats to say someone wont steal your gun and shoot you
The crime and punishment thing is about still having the death penalty, treating non-whites worse off when it comes to reporting about crime, taking "terrorist" suspects and locking them up as long as you feel like with no evidence and no defence or chance to go against their imprisionment.
Theres a point where showing the flag goes beyond the point, many american companies show off the flag, and while I can understand Independence day, there are people who fly the flag everyday, thats more in line with extreme nationalism. I mean get over it ! It was like 300 years ago, your almost as bad as the Turkish and eastern christian block.
I cringe at your constitution.
--- Freedom to Lebanon, Liberation from Israel, Stop the occupation and killing of civilians.
Re: reasons for which others dislike Americans and Christians so much I am not sure whats the big deal about owning a gun in the first place. Ok they can be used for hunting that i can understand but what is the point in owning a pistol. They are not used for hunting but only to kill.
What i find stragne is that america has the largest amount of christanity people over there and that is where the gun culture is. Don't most of them consider there own religious beliefs.
But then again this is what america thinks about guns and how to act useing them. Its up to majority of america to think what is right with the issue of guns. Its they way they live. As long as it dosent cross the borders and into our own country i don't care what america does with the issue of guns.
I have never liked the idea of haveing guns. But then again i am the one who is up for swords.
--- to explore the inner side of my mind you need to explore the site of theOTHERWORLD
Reg: 04-2003 Loc: London, England Posts: 8839 Greatness: 284 (+380/-96)
Re: reasons for which others dislike Americans and Christians so much
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Grenseal wrote:
Of course guns shouldn't be handed to kids. If someone does hand a gun to a child, who is to blame??? The gun, or the person who gave it to them??? Answer me that.
This is what I mean, you were given a gun as a kid. So I'm sure many other parents have done the same over there, some may not be as mature as you were. Some parents may not be as mature either. Would you rather have guns be given to kids so they can commit crimes just so some can enjoy target practice?
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What evidence Zeen??? Like I said, I know dozens of people who own guns and don't use them in criminal acts.
The evidence I mean are the records of the amount of gun related crimes, which are far more in America than any other country in the world.
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Lets examine this for a bit. If a parent has a child and guns as well what should he/she do???
They probably shouldn't have guns around if they have kids in the first place. Unless they keep them somewhere completey safe and out of reach, so there was no possible way any child could take it.
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Also guess what the first thing my father taught me about guns??? He told me they weren't toys. I was 16 at the time and quickly realized he was correct. Some with the lethal power of a gun is not a toy, and many people realize that. Now of course not everyone is mature enough at 16 to be able to handle a gun, but why should I be penalized for their ineptitude??? You still haven't explained that one to me.
It may be the same case for many other parents aswell, but some may not be like you. The parents may THINK they are mature enough to own a gun, but one day the child could get depressed, take the gun and shoot themselves quickly and painlessly, or even use it against someone else. Guns are tools of war! Going around using them for fun as you said gives the impression you see them as toys.
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I guess you didn't know that the police were being shot at as well. The case in New Orleans was an extreme situation and isn't comparable to an everyday experience.
I saw a clip of them randomly beating up a black man, when he did nothing to provoke such actions. I've heard from many people what they do, didn't you say yourself they shot at people trying to rescue those caught in the disaster?
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I never knew you had such intricate knowledge of over 200 million people. I'm amazed. Thats just a mass generalization.
From everything I have witnessed and heard, it does seem that way to me. I may be generalizing too much, its just the way I see it though.
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treating non-whites worse off when it comes to reporting about crime, taking "terrorist" suspects and locking them up as long as you feel like with no evidence and no defence or chance to go against their imprisionment.
It's like that here now I believe, I can't help but feel the Brits are slowly becoming into Americans. Look at what happened in the Underground, look at all the discrimination against Asians after terrorists attack, it was like that in America aswell after 9/11. The same is happening here after 7/7.
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Theres a point where showing the flag goes beyond the point, many american companies show off the flag, and while I can understand Independence day, there are people who fly the flag everyday, thats more in line with extreme nationalism. I mean get over it ! It was like 300 years ago, your almost as bad as the Turkish and eastern christian block.