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Re: reasons for which others dislike Americans and Christians so much


Wow this topic is pretty big...


*pulls it back on topic*

I dont know what I'd call myself, Im your typical person I guess. I am very much into world culture and philsophy, Ive read everything from Friedrich Nietzsche, to Aleister Crowley, to Anton LaVey, but I have 2 bibles (NiV and King James) sitting on my bookshelf. Im into the darkest and most F'ed-up stuff you could think of, the majority of it being quite disturbing to the general public, but at the same time, my family and my friends are all very Christian. I try not to be overly judgemental or closed-minded. I dont just own the bible, I've read over it, i live and grew up in a Christian household and it has always been of interest to me. Not only that, but I have also taken the time to read through Paradise Lost by John Milton and The Inferno by Dante, though purly fictional and not relating to the bible in any belief or contrasting way, both are simply just good very deep books, which is why I read them. I also read alot of Norse myth and Odinism, but I am not chained down to any one of these religions. I have read books from Aleister Crowley and his interpitation of Satanism and Anton LaVey and his interpitation of Satanism, and yet, I go to church on Sundays, and have friends that go to church on Sundays.

What I find aggrivating however, is when someone who is tied down to one religious belief says something along the lines of "thats evil" or "its about the devil" or something along those lines about a poem or song or painting or anything art related.
It proves the ignorance of people who do not have an open mind, unless you have read up on Satanism and things that are supposedly "evil," you have no idea, or right, to judge what is and is not the interpitation of "the devil." It shows ignorance, and lack of brains when someone says something offensive about one religious belief, with no background or study of that religious belief. -_- THAT is what pisses me off. People who are closed minded and will lock themselves down so hard on something they will do things like that.

Honestly, i watch snuff films, i have a fascination with death because for a very long time i wanted to be a mortician, I have high respects for these people because of what they do, there is no higher level of respect to be payed to the dead than to have them prepaired for a viewing, or to find out what really took them away from their life through means of science and technology. So when I say I have a fascination with death and like to watch snuff, dont assume "youre ill and sick in the head, get some help." If you knew anything at all, you would know that alot of videos like that are used for scientific research and learning purposes by people like me who are interrested in that field of study. My grandmother who I live with is Christian on a level to where it should be illegal, boarderline Shaker to be technical, my mother is Roman Catholic and somehow has some sort of weird Wiccan beliefs as well, we all live in the same house. Ive also read up on Paganism and Wicca, yet, I go to church and have Christian friends...

All in all, what I am is someone with a vast range of different interests, though because of this I cannot aply them all to one particular type of person, so I know what to say and talk about to one person or another and what to not say and such.

Somehow, I wont be supprised if someone reads this, and gets offended or angry. Im not looking to lock myself down to one religious belief system. Its not about morals, its deeper than morals, its values. What is it that you value in life, most people do not take this into consideration until after they have been faced with their own mortality. Though I have never experienced this thankfully, I honestly value my values, highly, because when making a choice in life about something to gain, you should really be looking at what you're going to lose, and worry less about what you're going to gain for you benefit.

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took the day off college. bored. decided to read this thread. its actually brilliant

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I'm not saying you only need Religion to have morals. emoticon



If you need the threat of hell in order to not kill anybody, I call that insanity

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Good motive, though. Do a bad act and you get suffering. I have said, I wouldn't really believe in a Hell in the Christian idea
There is a Hell in the Wheel of Life but it is different.
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Thats another logical fallacy known as an appeal to fear. Its essentially an effective way of getting someone to believe your idea, which is probably why Christianity put it into use.

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Ulbrec: ...Ennelia and Braston will meet you there, Targos's fate hinges on your success.

My response: I think Targos's fate hinges on how much Shawford can pay us from the Targos treasury.

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A lot of people seem to believe that you can't have morals unless your religious!! emoticon emoticon

They scare you with Hell so you do what they want. :nono2:

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A lot of people seem to believe that you can't have morals unless your religious!! emoticon emoticon

They scare you with Hell so you do what they want. :nono2:



If anything, it's the religious people who lack morals. They stop themselves from "sinning" because of what the bible says the punnishment will be

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Religious people have better morals because they have a beter bases for why morals exist butsome religious people twist these morals for own gain.
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Reg: 08-2005
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You don't need religion to have a strong basis in morality. Morals exist precisely because humans exist, and without a sense of morality, civilization cannot exist.

I've met a good number of "religious" people who were moral, but I've also met a large number of them that were far from morally good.

I've met a large number of athiests who demonstrate an impeccable moral code, as well.

Bottom line, religious people are no more likely to be moral than anyone else. A person with a strong commitment to humanity can be every bit as moral as a person commited to some religious dogma.

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Reg: 12-2004
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If anything, it's the religious people who lack morals. They stop themselves from "sinning" because of what the bible says the punnishment will be



What's your basis for this?
Are you making that claim that all religious practitioners avoid sin for the purpose of avoiding punishment? Have you considered the possibility that a religious believer may do the right thing because, y'know, its the right thing to do?
Sure, avoidance of punishment can be a reason to do the right thing. But far more dominant in Christian theology are the concept of being good for the sake of being good, and doing good for heavenly reward. I know that when I try and do the right thing, it's not because of a fear of Hell, but because Christ asked for humans to be virtuous.

Yes, I believe those without religion are perfectly capable of virtue. Humans, Christian or otherwise, have been blessed with a sense of conscience and reasoning. Within them lies the power to make choices, good or bad. But they have the choice.

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Prima: "If we waste any more time on 'weeaboo', we'll be bankrupt by the end of the month!"
Secunda: "Did someone just say 'weeaboo?' Because I heard someone say 'weeaboo'."
Persons 2-10: "Wee-a-boo! Wee-a-boo!"
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