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Tragedy of war..


A friend of mine recently returned from Iraq finishing up his tour. But on one mission where his squad was supposed to raid a known rebel hideout something terrible happened. In the middle of the raid he came a cross a rebel fighter my friend would have shot him immediately but the bastard was holding a 6 year old girl in one arm and an AK in the other, in other word he was using the child as a shield…my friend had no choice but to fire, he killed the rebel but in the process he also killed the little girl. Now he’s back in the state all depressed and drinking a lot, I even had to stop him from killing himself. What’s worse is that I don’t even know what to do…

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That's a horrible tragedy... Why would someone want to endager a poor child's life for... Although there was probably nothing he could of done (and I'm not trying criticise), but couldn't he have layed low or hiden untill he could take a good shot, trying better to save this girl? If the Rebel was too close I can understand, but is it that hard to aim with a gun? It really saddens me how innocent people are brought into these Wars.

Sorry your friend's so depressed. Theres no reason for another life to be taken, as I'm sure he never intended to kill the girl. He has to get on with his life. It's happened now, you can't change it. emoticon

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Woah thats damn low, what the rebel fighter did I mean. Thats downright disgracefull in fairness.

And we could all sit here nice and safe behind our computers and say he shouldn't have shot or he could have waited or whatever but we have no right to so I won't because its just not fair.

And as for is it that hard to aim a gun, have you ever used one?? And more importantly have you ever been in a live combat situation?? (not picking on you Zeen)

Really hope your friend pulls through this patch, it wasn't his fault and you can't change the past.

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as if things weren't bad enough its seems the local anti-war group found out what happen now their demanding that my buddy be court marshal for crime against humanity. Just who the !@#$ do they think they are if this is how a country treats its solider then I'm really disappointed.They never been to war so they have no right to say in this matter. Sorry to say this Zeen it was a close quarter combat so my freind didnt really have a choice.

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Maybe if the peopl wanting to court marshal him were soldiers actually on the front line and knew the full details etc etc etc but they don't understand what it must be like for someone in a situation like that, Neither do I but I'm not pointing the finger or anything.

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Sorry its just sometimes I hear stuff like that where the outcome could been better, but in this case he had no choice. That must have been really hard to do. I couldn't imagine what it would have been like.

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In war there are bound to be these circumstances that will appear through time like that.

I feel sorry for your friend haveing to do that as someone killing an inocent life like that in the form of a little girl will be tramatiseing to see. One of many tragedys of war. But he did join up the army so something like this was going to happen to one soilder or another.

As for the shooting of the girl well in that situation when you have a choice to make then it depends on what circumstances there was. If he didn't have any choice but to kill the girl then he had to do it. If he hesitated then things could have been worse. But it seems he acted quickly which is what you have to do if you are endangering the lifes of others. If on the other hand that his fellow comrades were not in danger or he could have had the chance to save the girl then he should have prolonged to see what could have been done next.

If i was in that situation and had no choice but to kill an inocent life to save others then i would kill the innocent life to save others. In a situation like that you have to act quickly and do what is nessary.

Your friend being court marshall. Well i can understand that happening. As some people not all of them would not follow what they were ment to do or just kill without thinking. These things have to be followed through and the facts need to be looked at closly. I am not saying your friend should be court marshaled as i don't know the situatation of what happened no one can really but himself. But cases like these can't be ignored either.

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Well not much that you can do for him really. He will have to think about this on his own. He made the choice and he will have to think about what he has done and what he feels about it. Over time he may learn to deal with it and accept it. All you can do is just try and make him see sense from your point of view.


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I dont think anyone can say what they would or wouldnt have done in that situation its a spur of the moment thing. I think its horrible that they might court marshall youre freind. He must have a million things running through his head and now they're going to pile more pressure on him. And for such a young life too be taken. No parent should ever have too bury their child. This truly is one of the many tragedies of war.

"War is a series of Catastrophies that results in a victory"
"War is old men doing the talking and young men doing the fighting"
"To win a war is as disastrouous as to lose one"
"In war, there are no unwounded soldiers"
"Patriots always talk of dying for their country and never of killing for their country"
"Why do we kill people who are killing people to show that killing people is wrong"
"The death of one person is a tragedy. The death of millions is a statistic"
"If we don't end war, war will end us"

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Eventhough I'm a private contractor I really understand what my friend is going through. Ive been in Iraq for two weeks mostly bounty hunting and helping US troop hunt down rebels. I'm telling they are not freedom fighters, sometimes I see whole small town or village brutalized with its small population executed woman and children are also victims. Why? because they accepted US troops aid and supplies. I'm going back to Iraq after I take care of my friend so god have mercy on any of those monster that gets in my way.
 
 


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I see that only one side of the story has been told. I dont want to be against you, but it could very well be that the rebel was trying to take the girl to safety, and the only way to do that while arming himself for his protection was to hold the girl at the same time.

Sorry, but I see both sides, I'm pretty sure some of my mates have been killed by americans tackling down "insurgence".

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