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Actually yes there was, ask yourself how did a country standing on the edge of oblivion do something that another stable country with superior technology didnt? Again it isnt speculation and assumption its common sense that make people think this way. I have seen Hollywood
movie setups much better that that of the Background in the space footage. Also the radiation shield would of killed the astronats at the time.



   Rev Ninja brought this up in the 9/11 hoax thread and I have to respond to it, so here goes:

     As for that first comment I'm assuming the first country you are referring to would be the US and the second the Soviet Union. That being the case I don't think the US was on the edge of oblivion and I don't think at the time that the USSR had that superior of technology.


     What makes you think the background in the moon footage is fake??? It would look pretty good for a 1968 movie if you ask me.

I also don't know what you mean by that last statement. How would a radiation shield kill the astronauts??? A shield is designed to protect something not damage or kill it.

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Ulbrec: ...Ennelia and Braston will meet you there, Targos's fate hinges on your success.

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Ok why the h*ll did you even bother making another topic that had has the US goverment involved? You wont prove anything and i cant make you realize the truth. So why even bother debating? But since you want i will say just one thing. The vans allen belt had a radiation level of 1000-15,000 eV, protons in the inner belt perhaps 50 million eV which is many times more then enough to literally fry a human to death.

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   Lets start seeing some actual proof for this truth of yours rather than just making assumptions, which is what you are doing here once again. And I made it a separate topic so we wouldn't be debating about two things in one thread, it just helps keeps things a tad more organized.
   You do know that the Apollo spacecraft was shielded to protect the astronauts. Now granted it couldn't protect them 100% but if you take into account the trajectory the Apollo spacecraft took then you will realize it went through the very outer edges of the inner belt. Also the velocity of the craft would limit its exposure to these belts. That said do you have the actual numbers for the dosage of radiation received by each astronaut or are you once again assuming that the radiation would have been high enough to kill them. Please keep in mind they did not have direct exposure to the radiation. Its also funny that the man who discovered the belts, dr. james van allen has even rebutted this claim and yet people still argue that it would be impossible.

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Ulbrec: ...Ennelia and Braston will meet you there, Targos's fate hinges on your success.

My response: I think Targos's fate hinges on how much Shawford can pay us from the Targos treasury.

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Ok well skipping from all this technical stuff, grenseal tell me, why was the flag blowing? I mean the one the stuck in the moon apparently. this one piece of info alone is pretty damning

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You do know that the Apollo spacecraft was shielded to protect the astronauts. Now granted it couldn't protect them 100%


The first spacecraft that can protect humans against that high ammount of radiation was built around the early 80's. They didnt have the technoligy to make a spacecraft strong enough to shield from the radiation. If you think the vans allen belt doesnt exist then you should visit that russian astrounaut that had his skin burned black from the intensive radiation. The radiation level of the belt is stronger then several nuclear bombs also.

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Ok well skipping from all this technical stuff, grenseal tell me, why was the flag blowing? I mean the one the stuck in the moon apparently. this one piece of info alone is pretty damning





   Its actually not that damning if you think about it. Let me explain. When the astronauts planted the flag they drove it into the ground by using their hands. If you think of how that process is done you realize that it involves twisting, turning, and some thrusting so naturally some of that motion was transferred to the flag itself and so it moved. There didn't need to be any wind for it the flag to move.


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The first spacecraft that can protect humans against that high ammount of radiation was built around the early 80's. They didnt have the technoligy to make a spacecraft strong enough to shield from the radiation. If you think the vans allen belt doesnt exist then you should visit that russian astrounaut that had his skin burned black from the intensive radiation. The radiation level of the belt is stronger then several nuclear bombs also.
 



     Well that isn't true. NASA actually ran a few missions which went into the van allen belts in order to test the amounts of radiation received. They didn't have technology to shield all the radiation but that wasn't necessary becuase due to the trajectory they took, they wouldn't be in the belts for that long. In fact the time they were in there wasn't long enough to get a lethal dose which is why they were able to pass through them to begin with.

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Ulbrec: ...Ennelia and Braston will meet you there, Targos's fate hinges on your success.

My response: I think Targos's fate hinges on how much Shawford can pay us from the Targos treasury.

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At that speed they were in there for over an hour or even 2. The radiation level of the belt is many times that of several nuclear bomb's the only thing that could protect them at that time was 3 feet of lead. Also why are you even foolishly defending this just because of a comment i made on another topic? You simply jumped to conclusion and automatically defended this and made some topic which will waste are time and wont resolve anything? So i ask why even bother? What are you trying to prove by trying to debate with us?

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At that speed they were in there for over an hour or even 2. The radiation level of the belt is many times that of several nuclear bomb's the only thing that could protect them at that time was 3 feet of lead. Also why are you even foolishly defending this just because of a comment i made on another topic? You simply jumped to conclusion and automatically defended this and made some topic which will waste are time and wont resolve anything? So i ask why even bother? What are you trying to prove by trying to debate with us?




   First let me address the last portion of what you said. I wouldn't consider this foolish. If you make a stupid comment, I'm going to call you on it. Thats pretty much the bottomline. You might think its a waste of time but when people are convinced that nearly everything is a conspiracy I get worried. Most of these claims you are presenting are easily rebutted, to the point where it isn't even funny.
   Actually lead wouldn't be the best subtance to shield against the radiation in the van allen belts. The type of radiation found there are high energy protons which are a form of particle radiation. Given that type of radiation is present, shielding with a heavy metal such as lead would lead to a reradiating effect known as bremsstrahlung. This reradiation might have been more dangerous to the astronauts than the actual radiation itself. I would think you would know this seeing as you majored in advanced physics. Lighter weight materials are actually better for shielding against this type of radiation, many of which were available to the scientists and engineers who architected the Apollo missions.

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Ulbrec: ...Ennelia and Braston will meet you there, Targos's fate hinges on your success.

My response: I think Targos's fate hinges on how much Shawford can pay us from the Targos treasury.

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I saw the words US government and then got bored (yes bored), I think I'm sick. Call 999.

(I'll comment on this later...)

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The words US and government causing Ace to be bored??? I agree you must be sick, go see a doctor immediately! emoticon

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Ulbrec: ...Ennelia and Braston will meet you there, Targos's fate hinges on your success.

My response: I think Targos's fate hinges on how much Shawford can pay us from the Targos treasury.

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