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There are plenty of reasons to doubt the moon landings, the technology at the time was not sufficient to allow them to land on the moon. There is a part of Area 51 that is covered in a dark soil and some mounds and crators, this was photographed by the russans, there is a photo supposedly taken on the moon that matches this place exactly. The astronauts have a camera on their chest, a really crap quality black and white camera for some reason when colour and better quality cameras were widely available at the time, anyway these cameras had crosshairs eched onto the lens for refferences and that but in some of the pictures things like the flag or the buggy or an arm coverd part of these crosshairs suggesting they were imposed onto the picture. The lunar lander left NO crator or disturbance on the ground of where it landed when it uses a high powered rocket engine. In the videos you see them going around in slow motion because of gravity or whatever but when this video is speeded up x2 they are walking and running around like normal, it's funny. the moon is 1/6th the earths gravity. Plenty of photos taken that are aparently in totally different places from different apollo missions have the same background. Shadows in all sorts of directions suggest some stage lights around when there only light source is the sun and maybe the lander. Did ya ever see the video of the lander taking off from the moon again? It looked like something from thunder birds done with strings and who was videoing that??

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After reading this thread, I went and researched this and there's quite a compelling case to be made that the moon landings may have been fake.

The real arguement to support that it wasn't faked is that no country has come out to declare the landing a hoax, particularly during the time period that it supposedly landed.

Interesting stuff out there -- I'll have to read more.

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the technology at the time was not sufficient to allow them to land on the moon.



Thats just plain false.


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There is a part of Area 51 that is covered in a dark soil and some mounds and crators, this was photographed by the russans, there is a photo supposedly taken on the moon that matches this place exactly.



  If they were gonna fake the moon landing why would they do it in an outdoor location??? It would be much easier to use some form of studio indoors so you could control the environment. What happens if it gets real windy outside, or a freak rainstorm, or a bird flies by??? Honestly, thats a very poorly thought out accusation.

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The astronauts have a camera on their chest, a really crap quality black and white camera for some reason when colour and better quality cameras were widely available at the time,



   Lol this statement is incorrect. The cameras used during the apollo missions were specially modified Hasselblad cameras, which could take pictures in color as demonstrated by the color pictures of the moon's surface that we do have. And in case you didn't know Hasselblad is a manufacturer of cameras noted for their quality.
  I nearly pissed myself in laughter when I read that line.

 
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anyway these cameras had crosshairs eched onto the lens for refferences and that but in some of the pictures things like the flag or the buggy or an arm coverd part of these crosshairs suggesting they were imposed onto the picture.



   Yet again this statement is wrong. The camera's lens wasn't etched with crosshairs, but rather the camera was fitted with a special glass plate, called a Reseau plate.
   Imposing the crosshairs onto the picture is also quite silly. Many of these so called "pasted crosshairs" occur in areas that are colored white or on a surface where more light is being reflected. This causes the very small and thin etchings of the black crosshairs to be washed out on the film. Its bascially getting overexposed.
  Also on some of the images where this occurs some odd questions arise. For instance: In one picture that contains the American flag a crosshair gets washed out over just the white stripes, which is further evidence that the "pasted crosshairs" are just overexposed.



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The lunar lander left NO crator or disturbance on the ground of where it landed when it uses a high powered rocket engine.



   Yes it does use a high powered rocket, but you are assuming the lander was travelling at a high velocity when it landed. Think of it like this. If you are going to park a car do you fly into the spot at 50 mph, or do you slow down and gently pull in??? If you want to be safe you'll do it slow and this is what happened on the lunar missions. The rockets did have throttles so the astronauts could control the thrust.
  You also have to consider the environment on the moon. Given that it is a vacuum the exhaust gases spread out much more quickly as there is no air to impede its dispersal therefore its force would be more spread out and not concentrated. The actual thrusting force used was actually around 3000 lbs of thrust and when coupled with area of the nozzle and the vacuum environment the force spread out very quickly and thus didn't disturb the ground enough to create a blast crater.
   
  
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In the videos you see them going around in slow motion because of gravity or whatever but when this video is speeded up x2 they are walking and running around like normal, it's funny. the moon is 1/6th the earths gravity.



   This is a funny claim. To me the astronauts don't really look natural at 2x the speed, that is they don't look like they are walking as they would on earth. Also some of their arm motions just don't look natural at all. If you speed up all of the lunar video you will see what I mean. Either way this really doesn't matter as it doesn't really prove anything. Just becuase the moon has less gravity doesn't mean that you would be able to move faster in a large bulky space suit. Your body still has the same mass
   If you take a look at some of the footage with the lunar rover you will notice that the dust thrown up by it is in a nice arc and then falls back to the surface. That wouldn't happen in Earth's atmosphere due to the air molecules impedeing the descent of the dust particles. If there is nothing to keep the dust particles suspened they will simply fall back to the surface as seen in the lunar video footage.

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Plenty of photos taken that are aparently in totally different places from different apollo missions have the same background.



    This is quite easily answered as well. When the background in the photos is many kilometers away than it won't appear to move much in relation to your position. This effect is called parallax and in many of the so called "identical backgrounds" you can see the differences if you look closely enough.


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Shadows in all sorts of directions suggest some stage lights around when there only light source is the sun and maybe the lander.



     If there were difference stage lights causing the shadows to go in different directions then the objects would have more than one shadow as there are multiple light sources.

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Did ya ever see the video of the lander taking off from the moon again? It looked like something from thunder birds done with strings and who was videoing that??



     I'm sorry but that isn't very good logic. Just becuase something looked shaky doesn't mean it had to be done with strings and wires.

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Ok well skipping from all this technical stuff, grenseal tell me, why was the flag blowing? I mean the one the stuck in the moon apparently. this one piece of info alone is pretty damning



sparky. you go out on a windless day, nice clear day, not even a breeze. go out there with a fabric, better represented on earth with chainmail. ok, right, even with no wind the chainmail flag would move. why was it blowing? newtons first law. (i think thats the one) with no atmosphere, whats to stop it movin, or "blowing in the wind" as ppl call it.

i used to think all ya ya, the moon landin is a hoax cos i watched i conspiracy thingy on it, but then a while ago, there was a thing on the discovery channel. a lad just went through everything, and proved all the stuff to be nonsense. shadows goin different ways even to theres only one source of light? ya. same thing happens here on earth if u have a look. depending on the terrain, shadows go different directions. if everything is flat they go in parallel lines. hammer a few stakes at random places on a hill, and youll see that the shadows go different directions.

theres a observatory in america that shines a laser off a mirror on the moon to get readings and stuff. hmm, how did that mirror get there? that another conspiracy?

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HAHA!! I had to reply to this yoke. I hate the moon hoax. Alan, I'm tellin ya it's not fake. You just got ripped to shreds there boy.

Hey Chaalvin, nice one there, you kicked sparkys arse, and to add a little bit to your flag explaination, theres a half-hour video sequence of the Astronauts wandering around the moon, with the flag IN FULL VIEW, and......NOT MOVING AT ALL. So Sparky, basically, when you touch things (for example a flag) they move. Amazing isn't it?

Now, floorspud, about the shadows in all sorts of directions.....That's a natural phenomenon. It can happen where there are no spotlights.....say....the middle of a desert during daytime........

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Also floorspud, for your point on the crosshairs being covered by super-imposed objects, have a look at this picture. The photographer put a human hair across the lens and took a photo of a white card. OH WOW THE HAIR DISAPPEARS BEHIND THE CARD!!! THE CARD MUST BE SUPER-IMPOSED!!! You can try this at home.
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Haha, silly moon hoax people. They're funny.

Any more shkins Mcgrath?

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That desert pic supposed to prove diff direction shadows? go inta paint an highlight em so. i cant see em.

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Ok that picture isn't very clear, but the link that I gave has plenty of examples.

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The further away shadows are too far away to see clearly the angle but ya i knew all that anyway.

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whats yer opinions now alan and sparky? no such thing as the moon next i suppose?

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The Moon?? Thats crazy talk. Its just a camera the government are using to watch us

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